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killinghurts
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Message 1 of 271 (567395)
06-30-2010 11:29 PM


Quite a simple question/thread really. In my discussions with believers I have yet to hear a reasonable response as to how someone (or something) would detect God.
By 'detect' I mean "to discover or determine the existence, presence, or fact of".
As an example, I cannot 'see' gravity but I can 'detect' it by dropping a ball and watching it hit the ground.
Unless there is a reasonable answer to this question, one can only assume that God is not part of the measurable world, and therefore not part of reality and therefore not real.

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killinghurts
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Message 87 of 271 (568194)
07-04-2010 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by sac51495
07-01-2010 4:03 PM


"sac51495" writes:
You are correct that God is not part of the measurable world. However, your logical progression fails in the second part of your sentence, because no one ever said that reality only includes the measurable world.
If god is not part of the measurable world, how do you know he/she/it exists?

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killinghurts
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Message 88 of 271 (568195)
07-04-2010 8:28 PM
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07-01-2010 9:39 AM


Re: Old answer for an old question
"Thomas Aquinas" writes:
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.
Using the Oxford definition of faith we have:
faith: strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
And applying the definition to the quote, we have:
To one who has "strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof", no explanation is necessary.
read that a few times... does it make sense to you?

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Message 89 of 271 (568196)
07-04-2010 8:36 PM
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07-01-2010 5:16 PM


Re: What do you mean by "god"...?
"Onifire" writes:
But have they given you any description of what to look for?
Pick a God, any God...
"Onifire" writes:
You know it's effects and know what you're looking for. You are completely in the dark as far as god/s go.
I struggle to think of a religion (perhaps Buddhism) that does not employ a doctrine promoting some form of reality meddling, thought reading, invisible overseer. Surely if reality is affected, we can measure it.
"Onifire writes:
Likewise you can't claim it - whatever "it" is - isn't part of the measurable world.
Nor can I claim it is, which is the essence of my argument.

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