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Author Topic:   Did Mod cause the collapse of evcforum?
Hyroglyphx
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Message 384 of 424 (568330)
07-05-2010 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 363 by crashfrog
07-04-2010 10:14 PM


Re: Deliberation
Er, wait, that's not the question under discussion at all. "Brutality"? Please.
I meant it metaphorically, as if moderators were in law enforcement. Did they respond with the appropriate amount of force or did they overstep their bound -- police brutality.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 393 of 424 (568412)
07-05-2010 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 392 by crashfrog
07-05-2010 4:35 PM


Re: Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
Simply the wide and popular impression that NJ was engaged in gay-baiting meant to piss Berberry and others off should have been sufficient, according to the standards of moderation Percy had enunciated. At any rate you picked a terrible time to stand on principle, as I said.
I didn't want to say anything so as to not inflame the situation, but Berberry was the one that followed me around. As for the others, regardless of whether or not my views were unpopular, anyone should be able to express their views.
Going back and reading the material, was I really such an hideously, awful guy or was it that you took strong exception to my views? Because from my vantage point, it appears that people wanted me to be suspended or banned on account of not liking my views as opposed to my actual behavior.
I think that distinction needs to be made clear.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 398 of 424 (568426)
07-05-2010 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 396 by crashfrog
07-05-2010 6:53 PM


Re: Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
GenDiscMod11 reads the exact opposite, actually. Berb's posts predate yours by a substantial number of posts. What, did he follow you from in front?
GenDiscMod was where everyone ran to go tattle on me, so obviously people's complaints about me would predate my defending myself. I was referring to the threads that I was being tattled on for.
I'm sorry if you feel that's not correct, but people were asking you to stop and you didn't.
Should a creationist stop posting because it offends evolutionists? Regardless, I think this thread is fried. Stick a fork in it.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 403 of 424 (568559)
07-06-2010 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 400 by Bolder-dash
07-05-2010 9:47 PM


Re: Deliberation
You are claiming that no opinions are suppressed. Yet no one, Percy or yourself included can explain to me why an evolutionist was able to start a thread as vague as Problems with Evolution-submit your question, and yet I am not allowed to start a thread which discusses the pros and cons of the Darwinian debate evidence.
Bolder-Dash, I cannot talk about the specifics of your case because I am not familiar with it, but I can tell you from experience that there is not a conspiracy against creationists. Percy is very aware that this forum only work if evolutionists and creationists/ID'ists debate. That means, the site needs creationists just as much as it needs evolutionists. That really goes without saying. I shouldn't even have to say it, but just in case you forgot, there it is...
In fact, before the "meltdown" there were quite a few theist admins that he personally installed to keep the site as fair and balanced as possible. As it turned out, there seemed to be too much moderating. So now we are down to five.
What this site does not guarantee, nor should it, is that you won't get shit for your opinions. I've endured far more hardship than you could ever imagine and yet you don't see me crying in a corner, whining about how persecuted I am.
Granted, there are more atheists and far more evolutionists (both atheistic and theistic) on this site than there are creationists and ID'ists. That means that you are going to experience more grief than many people, but that comes with the territory. You either need to either embrace that fact or be crushed under the pressure.
Percy is using his control over the forum , to silence a rationed retort to the theory, by forcing dissenters into impossible to manage rules. Every time someone wishes to expound further on weaknesses to the Theory as a whole, Percy, or his attack dogs cut in and try to say that one criticism or another is off topic-thus derailing any attempts to paint a holistic argument.
Give me a break... I don't think you will find a more long-suffering soul than Percy. Percy is more in the business of giving you a platform in which to relay your fringe beliefs than he is in the business of silencing dissenters. More to the point, he doesn't have "attack dogs." No one here is beholden to him, nor is he beholden to us. I'm sure it's more satisfying for you to believe that there are smoke-filled rooms where they dream up nefarious plots for creationists while commiserating with evolutionists. As a former moderator (a theistic ID'ist moderator, at that) I can tell you first hand that no such conspiracy exists. Sorry to disappoint.
All that is required of you is to follow a handful of forum guidelines that are generally loosely adhered to. All the moderators like giving their members the benefit of the doubt unless there's an egregious offense that cannot be overlooked. That's it. So if one of your threads wasn't promoted, I'm confident there was good reason for it.
My suggestion to you is to debate your points, and they will be judged collectively by the members of this forum by their merits.
That is all.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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