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jar
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Message 125 of 171 (571247)
07-30-2010 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Buzsaw
07-30-2010 10:26 PM


Re: Point by point refutation
Buz writes:
The following is an example of some things which were addressed in this thread. So much of which was warned of has come to fruition, such as the government takeover of private business, natural resources and production of goods.
I imagine you can present evidence of where the Obama Administration has taken over a private business, natural resources and the production of goods.

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jar
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Message 127 of 171 (571253)
07-30-2010 10:50 PM


Bailouts
Let's look at real examples of Bailouts and takeovers.
In 1970 & 1971 the Government bailed out Penn Central Railroad and Lockheed. President-Nixon
In 1974 the Government bailed out Franklin National Bank. President-Ford.
In 1975 the Government bailed out New York City. President-Ford.
In 1980 Chrysler was bailed out. President-Carter.
In 1984 the Government bailed out Continental Illinois National Bank and Trust Company. President-Reagan
In 1989 the Savings and Loan industry got bailed out. President-GHW Bush.
In 2001 the Airline Industry was bailed out. President-GW Bush.
2007-8 was a busy year for Government bailouts, Bear Sterns, AIG, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, the Auto Industry, CitiGroup, Troubled Assets Relief Program. President-GW Bush
In 2009 Bank of America got bailed out. President-Obama.
Is there a pattern here?

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jar
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Message 134 of 171 (571457)
07-31-2010 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Buzsaw
07-31-2010 7:02 PM


Re: Buzsaw Predictions/1908
You realize that there is NOTHING but innuendo in any of your so called verified sources don't you?
How about trying to find ONE fact.
Also, presenting a quote from the nut job Beck even if you don't provide the attribution is still just the rantings of a nut job.
Buz writes:
The following is an example of some things which were addressed in this thread. So much of which was warned of has come to fruition, such as the government takeover of private business, natural resources and production of goods.
I imagine you can present evidence of where the Obama Administration has taken over a private business, natural resources and the production of goods.
Still waiting for you to provide evidence that the Obama Administration has taken over a private business, natural resources and the production of goods.
Will this just be another example of you providing nothing but editorial, innuendo and nut job baseless assertions?
Edited by jar, : get prior quote from Buz that he seems to want to ignore.

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jar
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Message 139 of 171 (571492)
07-31-2010 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Buzsaw
07-31-2010 10:15 PM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
So once again, instead of addressing any of the points folk raise you fall back on more innuendo and unsupported assertions.
I imagine you can present evidence of where the Obama Administration has taken over a private business, natural resources and the production of goods.
Still waiting.

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jar
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Message 143 of 171 (571582)
08-01-2010 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Buzsaw
08-01-2010 10:25 AM


How does Israel stabilize anything?
Buz writes:
Strategically we need Israel in the Mideast in order to protect our interests in the region. They are the only stabalizing factor to avoid total hostility towards the West and afford some stability in the region.
How exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?
AbE:
I imagine you can present evidence of where the Obama Administration has taken over a private business, natural resources and the production of goods.
Still waiting.
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title
Edited by jar, : remind Buz that there are things he still needs to support before changing the subject

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jar
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Message 147 of 171 (571635)
08-01-2010 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by DrJones*
08-01-2010 4:27 PM


Re: Buzsaw Predictions/1908
The one that Gates said would likely be included in the 2011 budget and that is projected to go into service sometime between 2018 and 2020.
BUT...
that was before they realized that the world is going to end in 2012.

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jar
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Message 149 of 171 (571638)
08-01-2010 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by DrJones*
08-01-2010 5:00 PM


Re: Buzsaw Predictions/1908
DrJones* writes:
So the one that contrary to Buz's claim, isn't actually in production. The one that doesn't have a flying test aircraft. The one that doesn't have a design selected. The one that doesn't have a design.
Yes, it is not in production, likely ain't even close to production and TTBOMK there is not a flight test aircraft yet, BUT, I can say that as long ago as April of 2008 Northrup Grumman's first quarter financial report showed a two billion dollar "restricted program" contract so it is certainly possible that by now there is a design.
I'm not sure I'd say Buz is lying, only that just as with his refusal to admit that the Biblical Flood has been thoroughly refuted, he refuses to admit that the nonsense he posts about Obama is nothing but misrepresentation, innuendo and unsupported assertions.

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jar
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Message 154 of 171 (571901)
08-02-2010 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Buzsaw
08-02-2010 10:35 PM


Can Buzsaw Support his assertions
Still waiting for you to provide evidence that the Obama Administration has taken over a private business, natural resources and the production of goods.
While you are at it perhaps you can let us in on when Obama stopped the production of what was to be the worlds most effective strategic bomber and what bomber it was?
How exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?
Will this just be another example of you providing nothing but editorial, innuendo and nut job baseless assertions?
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title
Edited by jar, : add Israel question

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jar
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Message 160 of 171 (571994)
08-03-2010 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by Buzsaw
08-03-2010 8:47 AM


Re: Can Buzsaw Support his assertions
So as expected, you have NO facts to support your assertions and once again you are simply spreading falsehoods.
The GM issue is not Obama taking over a company, it is a bankruptcy, a Chapter 11 Bankruptcy.
The Senate voted to cancel the F-22 not Obama and in case you missed it the F-22 is NOT "the worlds most effective strategic bomber".
I asked YOU how Israel stabilizes the Middle East and why we should support Israel. Tell me.
As usual Buz you are zero for three. Just more falsehoods, innuendo and unsupported assertions.

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jar
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Message 168 of 171 (572059)
08-03-2010 1:13 PM


More on the F-22 Raptor.
Buz makes an assertion that the cancellation of the F-22 Raptor is some big weakening of US Defense capabilities.
But is it?
Facts. Originally 187 Raptors were planned for production. As of May, 2010, 168 had been built.
Facts. There was a planned bomber based on the F-22, the FB-22 and has never been more than a design proposal.
Facts. The follow on fighter to the F-22 is the F-35, scheduled to enter service between 2014 and 2016. So far 13 flight test aircraft have been built as well as over a dozen low rate initial production aircraft.
Amazing how facts trump innuendo and misrepresentation every time.

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