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Dr Adequate
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Message 39 of 171 (478081)
08-11-2008 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Buzsaw
08-08-2008 8:44 PM


1. Obama's stated ambitions for government and his past record is and has been socialistic for the most part.
Wrong. This is why you can supply no supporting evidence for these claims.
2. When he did't vote the leftist POV he simply refused to vote whenever a leftist vote would be unpopular for his political ambitions.
I presume that you have no evidence for this daydream.
You could have this fantasy about anyone. The Pope isn't really a Catholic, he just pretends to be to further his ecclesiastical ambitions. McCain is secretly a die-hard Communist, but he wants to be president. The folks at the Discovery Institute are really evolutionists, but they've found they make more money as creationists.
It's a very mean-spirited way of avoiding reality, don't you think?
3. His socialist/Marxist mentor, Frank, would be proud of his record and the slick way he skirts around the specifics of issues in statements he makes while campaigning. He has mastered the ability to be all things to all men that he might win the maximum. A good example of this is his statement on the 2nd Amendment which is the right to bear arms.
His statement was that he knew what he believed about the 2nd Amendment and that he knew it guaranteed the right to bear arms. What he didn't tell America is what he thought about the 2nd Amendment or whether he agreed to it.
Oh for Pete's sake.
If he knows that it guarantees the right to bear arms, he also thinks that it guarantees the right to bear arms.
However, if you are going to insist on what he thinks rather than what he knows, here you go:
There's been a long standing argument among constitutional scholars about whether the 2nd Amendment referred simply to militias or whether it spoke to an individual right to possess arms. I think the latter is the better argument. There is an individual right to bear arms.
Nor did he say whether he would honor it as stated or interpret it as gun owners interpret it.
See above. He thinks it's an individual right, rather than reserved to the "militia", whatever that is.
Of course, whatever he says, you will still fantasise about how he doesn't mean it, so that you can hate him for being against the Second Amendment and for lying about it.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 40 of 171 (478083)
08-11-2008 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Buzsaw
08-05-2008 6:40 AM


On Friday a lightning bolt knocked out a transformer and my phone/computer line and I just got back on line yesterday PM. My apologies for the delay in responding.
Clearly your posts have incurred the wrath of God. Or at least his severe embarrasment.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 129 of 171 (571272)
07-31-2010 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by Buzsaw
07-30-2010 10:26 PM


Re: Point by point refutation
So much of which was warned of has come to fruition, such as the government takeover of private business, natural resources and production of goods.
No it hasn't.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. --- Matthew 7:15

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Dr Adequate
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Message 135 of 171 (571458)
07-31-2010 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Buzsaw
07-31-2010 7:02 PM


Re: Buzsaw Predictions/1908
1. Forced Unionism
A scaremongering article about something that hasn't actually happened.
2. Socialized Medicine
A lie. That isn't socialized medicine. I guess that's why you had to get your misinformation off a site that actually boasts itself to be unfair and imbalanced.
3. Undermine Military
Obama has of course increased military spending.
New spending blueprints unveiled at the Pentagon would push the U.S. military's budget to $708 billion next year, the most in inflation-adjusted dollars since World War II.
Funny way to undermine the military.
One of the first things he did after taking office was to stop the production of what was to be the worlds most effective strategic bomber
This would be easier to refute if you bothered to say what the heck you were talking about. Until then:
The administration's plans also call for more spending on high-tech weapons the military says it needs for potential future wars. Those include:
* The F-35, the military's largest aircraft development program ever
* Virginia-class attack submarines for the Navy
* Land- and sea-based missile defense and cyberwarfare systems
* A new long-range bomber long sought by the Air Force
4. Paramilitary
The president has repeatedly alluded to this public service obligation of America's youth.
This is of course a lie, which is why neither you nor the hysterical moron who wrote this article can quote him as doing so.
I also notice that the President has not in fact set up any paramilitary organizations.
There are presently around 40 paramilitary Muslim camps in the US in arms training.
And since it was James Madison and not President Obama who wrote the Second Amendment, this has nothing to do with Obama, does it?
5. Obama's version of fairness doctrine While publically opposing the old Fairness Doctrine, his Czarist regime has powerful czars all undermining representive government in every area of government so as to make empower the executive branch as supreme.
Did you notice that this gibberish, while admittedly ridiculous, paranoid, and retarded, has nothing else in common with your gibberish about the so-called "Fairness Doctrine"?
You will also notice that Obama has not in fact imposed the "Fairness Doctrine", which he opposes.
" Cass Sunstein is one of Barack Obama's close confidantes. He is I believe the most dangerous man in America. Nobody sees him coming. He is the head now of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, information and regulatory affairs. He oversees the policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs."
That doesn't sound very dangerous. Tell us, what, in your opinion, makes him more "dangerous" than previous holders of the same office, such as James C. Miller III, Christopher DeMuth, Wendy Lee Gramm, John Spotila, Sally Katzen, Susan Dudley, and John Graham? (Note that lunatics frothing about how he is a "czar" doesn't actually make him dangerous, it just makes idiots think he's dangerous.)
It's taken me 2 hours to research and verify these five.
To call this pathetic mishmash "research" is generous; to call it "verification" is frankly false.
I don't see why it took you two hours to dredge up some sort of affirmation for your fantasies --- paranoid whackjobs aren't that hard to find on the internet.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 141 of 171 (571504)
07-31-2010 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Buzsaw
07-31-2010 10:15 PM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
I have never claimed to have the gift of prophecy. As scientists do, I base predictions on researched data from his past life, past associates, known facts about him including voting record in state and national politics, what he has campaigned on and his supporters such as the Communist party, Jehadist Hammas and the Nation of Islam etc.
One difference between you and scientists is that all your predictions turned out to be wrong.
This is because of another big difference between you and scientists --- that your idea of "researched data" is any bullshit that someone makes up that happens to feed your prejudices.
It is the trend which appears to be on track for his aspirations. He must move only at the pace he dares, given the watch people in places like the internet and Fox News etc. Were it not for these, he would already be essentially Hugo Chavez in the White House.
That's an interesting excuse for why you were wrong about everything. It allows you to maintain your customary level of hatred and paranoia even if every single fact available to you contradicts your delusions.
His extensive czarist regime appointees, accountable only to him, put in place to extend his powers above the other two branches of government and to in many cases circumvent Congress ...
Translation from crazy into English: Obama is doing exactly what every other president has done, but since he hasn't done anything we can actually criticize him for, I guess we're going to have to pretend that this is sinister in some way.
He duped Israel and many Americans into believing he would support Israel. LOL on that, given how he reaches out to placate the Muslim world and snubs Israel.
Let's have an actual quotation, shall we?
Our job is to do more than lay out another road map; our job is to rebuild the road to real peace and lasting security throughout the region. That effort begins with a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy. That will always be my starting point. [...] We must preserve our total commitment to our unique defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance and continuing work on the Arrow and related missile defense programs.
This would help Israel maintain its military edge and deter and repel attacks from as far as Tehran and as close as Gaza.
And when Israel is attacked, we must stand up for Israel’s legitimate right to defend itself.
Such a snub, eh? And giving them $30,000,000,000 dollars must have really stung.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 144 of 171 (571586)
08-01-2010 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Buzsaw
08-01-2010 10:25 AM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
Aug 16, 2007, Before Obama:
And after. He's not bound by the memorandum of understanding agreed on by the Bush administration and Israel; he has the option to cut it; he said he wouldn't before he was elected; and he hasn't.
Strategically we need Israel in the Mideast in order to protect our interests in the region. They are the only stabalizing factor to avoid total hostility towards the West and afford some stability in the region.
Then you must be a big fan of Obama's policies towards Israel. The real ones, that is, as represented by what he actually says and does, not the imaginary ones in your head.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 156 of 171 (571912)
08-02-2010 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Buzsaw
08-02-2010 10:35 PM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
Obama's czars wield a whole lot more power than Bush's did.
Bush's czars were more like aids for less important positions. Compare the lists.
So ... did Bush not have anyone in charge of these things you think are so important? Or is it just that Glen Beck never called them czars?

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Dr Adequate
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Posts: 16113
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Message 162 of 171 (572010)
08-03-2010 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Buzsaw
08-03-2010 8:02 AM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
Yes he did. They are called either cabinet members, vetted and confirmed by Congress or Congress itself.
So does Obama have fewer cabinet members? Which jobs which Bush had done by a cabinet member are now performed by "czars"?
The only one "czar" you've singled out for mention so far is the head of OIRA, which has been run by a "czar" since it was founded in the 1980s.
(Obviously no powers have been transferred from the legislative to the executive branch.)

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Dr Adequate
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Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 166 of 171 (572055)
08-03-2010 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Buzsaw
08-03-2010 12:26 PM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
I said, by cabinet members or left to Congress where some of them belong, both of which are vetted and accountable to the people. Obama's radicals are neither.
And I'll ask you again: Which jobs which Bush had done by a cabinet member are now performed by "czars"? Which powers which used to be vested in cabinet members are now vested in "czars".
(Obviously there has been no transfer of power from Congress to the President.)
Be specific. Or admit that you're making a big fuss over absolutely nothing that you actually know of.

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