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Buzsaw
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Message 123 of 171 (571245)
07-30-2010 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by subbie
08-22-2008 10:13 PM


Re: Point by point refutation
Perhaps it would be interesting for some of our members to revisit this old pre-election thread, one of which I attempted to disuade the vote to go to Barrak Hussain Obama.
The following is an example of some things which were addressed in this thread. So much of which was warned of has come to fruition, such as the government takeover of private business, natural resources and production of goods.
subbie writes:
social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.
I'm quite certain Obama hasn't called for the nationalization of any businesses or industries, nor has he called for the abolition of private ownership of property, natural resources, or the means of production of goods. He hasn't suggested that everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 132 of 171 (571453)
07-31-2010 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Granny Magda
07-31-2010 2:50 PM


Re: Buzsaw Predictions/1908
1. Forced Unionism
2. Socialized Medicine
3. Undermine Military One of the first things he did after taking office was to stop the production of what was to be the worlds most effective strategic bomber; all this while Russia's Putin pledges to advance their strategic bomber program.
4. Paramilitary
The president has repeatedly alluded to this public service obligation of America's youth. There are presently around 40 paramilitary Muslim camps in the US in arms training.
5. Obama's version of fairness doctrine While publically opposing the old Fairness Doctrine, his Czarist regime has powerful czars all undermining representive government in every area of government so as to make empower the executive branch as supreme.
" Cass Sunstein is one of Barack Obama's close confidantes. He is I believe the most dangerous man in America. Nobody sees him coming. He is the head now of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, information and regulatory affairs. He oversees the policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs."
It's taken me 2 hours to research and verify these five. That's all I have time for at this time. We will go with these for now. Having read over the list, I see them all pretty much on track. Perhaps who disagrees may cite particular questionable ones.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 138 of 171 (571491)
07-31-2010 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Taz
07-31-2010 8:44 PM


Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
I have never claimed to have the gift of prophecy. As scientists do, I base predictions on researched data from his past life, past associates, known facts about him including voting record in state and national politics, what he has campaigned on and his supporters such as the Communist party, Jehadist Hammas and the Nation of Islam etc.
Now, two years into his administration, it appears that the trend is positive relative to nearly all of the points which I cited before he was considered by the pundunts able to beat Hillary Clinton in the primaries.
His extensive czarist regime appointees, accountable only to him, put in place to extend his powers above the other two branches of government and to in many cases circumvent Congress, match the radical associates of his past. They don't come more radical than some of these.
It is the trend which appears to be on track for his aspirations. He must move only at the pace he dares, given the watch people in places like the internet and Fox News etc. Were it not for these, he would already be essentially Hugo Chavez in the White House.
He duped Israel and many Americans into believing he would support Israel. LOL on that, given how he reaches out to placate the Muslim world and snubs Israel.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 142 of 171 (571581)
08-01-2010 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by Dr Adequate
07-31-2010 11:37 PM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
Dr Adequate writes:
And giving them $30,000,000,000 dollars must have really stung.
Aug 16, 2007, Before Obama:
JERUSALEM The United States offered Israel on Thursday an unprecedented $30-billion military aid package, bolstering its closest Mideast ally.
The aid deal signed in a ceremony in Jerusalem represents a 25 percent rise in U.S. military aid to Israel, from a current $2.4 billion each year to $3 billion a year over 10 years.
Nicholas Burns, the U.S. undersecretary of state for political affairs, and Israeli Foreign Minister Director-General Aharon Abramovitz signed the memorandum of understanding on the assistance
Strategically we need Israel in the Mideast in order to protect our interests in the region. They are the only stabalizing factor to avoid total hostility towards the West and afford some stability in the region.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 153 of 171 (571900)
08-02-2010 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Taz
08-01-2010 7:07 PM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
Taz writes:
Bush had more czars. How do you reconcile that?
Obama's czars wield a whole lot more power than Bush's did.
Bush's czars were more like aids for less important positions. Compare the lists.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 157 of 171 (571987)
08-03-2010 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by Dr Adequate
08-02-2010 11:17 PM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
Dr. Adequate writes:
So ... did Bush not have anyone in charge of these things you think are so important? Or is it just that Glen Beck never called them czars?
Yes he did. They are called either cabinet members, vetted and confirmed by Congress or Congress itself.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 158 of 171 (571988)
08-03-2010 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Taz
08-02-2010 11:13 PM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
Taz writes:
You linked us to glen beck's website to prove your point? Out of the whole world of journalism, you couldn't link to a less biased source? You linked to the same man who called those leaked emails on the so-called climategate thing "secret documents"? And I'm still waiting for that apology from you in that thread.
Why don't you get over your own bias and tell us what is erroneous about Beck's link for the purpose of which I cited it?
Why don't you propose a thread and OP on stuff Beck says on his programs which are false. If some of you sheeple would tune in to him more often you might get your own biased thinking enlightened.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 159 of 171 (571991)
08-03-2010 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 154 by jar
08-02-2010 10:43 PM


Re: Can Buzsaw Support his assertions
jar writes:
Still waiting for you to provide evidence that the Obama Administration has taken over a private business, natural resources and the production of goods.
While you are at it perhaps you can let us in on when Obama stopped the production of what was to be the worlds most effective strategic bomber and what bomber it was?
How exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?
Whoever owns over 50% owns the company.
The Senate's F22 fighter vote sends Obama a victory.
Let Netanyahu Explain.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 164 of 171 (572047)
08-03-2010 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Dr Adequate
08-03-2010 9:39 AM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
Dr Adequate writes:
So does Obama have fewer cabinet members? Which jobs which Bush had done by a cabinet member are now performed by "czars"?
I said, by cabinet members or left to Congress where some of them belong, both of which are vetted and accountable to the people. Obama's radicals are neither.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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