Do the religious want scientific enquiry to end?

it is not science or real scientific inquiry that we worry about. it is the oies, the bullying, the false attribution of results, theapplication, the dishonesty, the hypocrisy and so much more that is the problem.since secular science is designed to look in the wrong direction and the wrong places for its so-called answers, they really misrepesent what science is supposed to be and do.people are free to investigate what God did but they are not free to call God a liar, say He is wrong, or declare that their alternatives are correct over the Biblical passages.we also want secular scientists to stop lying to children and their students. there is no such thing as evolution, in any form, thus they need to stop teaching it. Jesus said that it is better for a man to hang a millstone around his neck and drown himself than it would be to turn the faith of a child against God. secular scientists do the latter every day.stick to real scie3nce and stop intruding on the issue of origins for that is not a scientific topic but a theological/religious one. there never will be such a discovery. there never has been either. if science disgarees with the bible then the science is wrong

evolution and other alternatives to the Bible are not the facts. evolution is like the old story of the emporer and no clothes, strip it bare from all assumptions, conjectures and speculations and it is walking down the street with nothing. denial is not refutation, nor are false accusations. no, that takes place because men 'love darkness rather than light' not because christians like me hold to the truth. don't put our responsibilities for our decision upon me or people like me. be a man and just admit you want to be lead astray. which 'examination' are you referring to? those who use the truth or those who use secular science which does not look for the truth? this is one thing you, people like you, evolutionists and atheists et al, just do not understand. God has made faith as one of the rules. not everything will be easily checked and one has to take God's word for it.if you cannot take God's word for creation, the flood etc., thenhow can you take His word for salvation and heaven? neither of those can be easily checked nor proven scientifically. you just want the benefits from God nothing else. Jesus said 'pick up your cross and follow me', it won't be easy and notice He did not say 'and follow science...' you are so wrong because you know i am telling the truth you just do not want to admit it.

no it is not. it is the problem of one who denies God in one area of the Bible then supports Him in another. actually it never has mostly the so-called disproval comes from an argument of silence and as i wrote earlier or in another thread and never got a real sincere response was: what kind of evidence are you looking for and where would you expect to find it?even the cries of 'Noah's Ark has been found...' has been met with large skepticism tus even if we foun dit, athiests and secularists would not accept it and demand even more evidence. it is a no win situation for the believer, thus we just sit back and tell you to do what God said to do--you have to use faith . tht is just totally wrong. there has never been a discovery scientifically or archaeologically that has disproven the Bible. such cries have all been manipulations, assumptions, speculations and conjecture concerning the so-called evidence discovered and has nothing to do with the discovery at all. youall keep saying this generalizations yet you all have yet to produce one link to such data or discvovery or disproval. itis like you are trying to vconvince yourselves that there was no global flood when there was.i will cite ryan & pitman's work; the discoveries off India; even Hancock's push for the monument off Japan as evidence that all the flood waters did not disdappear and that the geography change dafter Nah's flood. we have evidence for it, but you have to decide to accept it. but you are not honest for this so-called scientific inquiry deals with limited evidence, and pre-determines what they will accept or what the evidence should look like. niether you or this 'scientific inquiry are honest let alone objective.

again provide the specific discovery that shows that Noah's flood did not happen. saying there must be this, or there must be that is NOT evidence nor a discovery but wishful thinking. you cannot prove a bottleneck for civilization started with 8 people and there is NO evidence prior to that time that would produce the graph you want.the scant amount of old bodies/skeletons we do find will not be sufficient for such a study. thus your call for genetical bottlenecks is unrealistic.it is easy to deny and make such blanket and empty statements.Now i am thinking of the pakistani flood that has taken place recently. this is a good example of why Noah's flood was global and did take place. NO ONE puts a destructive local flood into their identity, religious works, or makes it a life changing event. Katrina is another example, the flooding there did not do anything to change america's identity, nor did they incorporate it as a major historical event that changed their civilization or made them put it into their religious writings.it may get noted by some historian but not all, and some may footnote it but local floods come and go and they are not news once it is over and the cleanup begins. nor do they interupt their presedential lists to include it, like the sumerians did.Noah's flood is real and those who claim otherwise are just deceiving themselves.

here:Lect 4. Heterozygosityyou still need genetic material to find it and based upon more asusmption. this area of genetics looks like it is designed to omit the truth as well. i doubt you could find evidence of 8 people who lived in an area that was later populated by thousands.in other words your supposed bottleneck is lost amidst the crowd and you come to false conclusions based upon faulty research and data. not abolishing the 'scientific method' just getting rid of the secular distortions and faulty rules and changing them to the correct ones: right and wrong, truth and error.{by the way, how many millions of predictions for the evolutionary theory have been hidden away because they were wrong?} the bolded words prove my point---assumptions. plus ideals and ignoring reality.taken from:Basic Population Genetics [M.Tevfik Dorak]and i was right again: very difficult to prove, when all the grandchildren of noah and then his sons only had each other to marry. then babel took place and a great migration happened throwing off all modern scientific ideas, theories, equations.

don't take the moralist viewpoint when you hate morality and miss the point of the example and take it to an aspect NOT dealt with in the post. all you are doing is trying to deflect the point so you can miss the truth and keep on claiming that there was no Noah's flood.as for your last paragraph, you do not know when those items were put there and you cannot tell if they were from a local or Noah's flood.

yes go to the distortion and the false accusation personal attack when shown your theory is too limited to prove what you want.
the assumptions doom that process.Edited by archaeologist, : No reason given.

in general answers coyote is wrong and his 'research' means nothing and nwr's post is not proof against the flood fo rit is simple to provide a reasonable and valid answer to that result--someone or more than one could have transported the animals there just after the flood.no one knows how they got there but guess what--God wanted them there so there they are. evolution doesn't provide an answer at all and is far less valid and more ridiculous than that one possibility i gave.

wrong again and that answer is based upon assumption coupled with emotionalism and bias not fact nor evidence. all the people would have to do is move, notice how only a few pakistanis were killed and trapped by a local flood--so it would have been in Noah's time.you people just do not want the truth nor accept it.as i said before, most true christians are not opposed to science, we are opposed to the lies that secular science produces and tries to brainwash children with. the flood happen regardless of the assumptions made by secular scientists and their disciples.Edited by archaeologist, : No reason given.

how about doing it right and realize that scientific research is hampered and hindered by so many mitigating factors. you cannot disprove a global flood and there are several reasons for this:1. do you know what the global flood evidence looks like? if not, how would you identify it?2. how deep does one dig? wooley went about 90 feet before discovering virign territory and was forced into renouncing his claim of finding flood evidence.3. if found would it be accepted? wooley is a good example that it would not be.4. construction of cities, wars, local floods, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, tornados, earthquakes, erosion and so on, all have their hand in destroying evidence, thus we are back to #s 1 & 2.
{for erosion effects see Kitchens The Bible in Its world, pg. 10; fo rthe rest read your history books}5. secular science is so limited that it cannot tell someone what they had for breakfast last week let alone what took place 3-4,000 years ago. the tools are faulty. [qs]You claim that you already have the answers, so we should just stop doing science and close up all those labs. just the ones going beyond their authority and scope. as i have proven by quoting dever (Did God Have A Wife), secular science is NOT objective thus anything it does violates its own principles that suppoedly guide its work.then since secular science is NOT about truth (another poster said this to me in a discussion on this very board) then any findings by scienc eneeds to be rejected for they are not true. according to him secular science is a big waste of time so yes, you probably should close up shop and shut down all secular scientific labs, they are not producing anything of value to te humans who inhabit this planet.

again you are wrong and distort all my words and posts. the only people without fact or evidence are the evolutionists and their supporters. post the evidence and i will show you where they are wrong. keep in mind that GOD does NOT operate BY secular scientific rules, His work is SUPENATURAL

after you provide evidence that He does follow secular science.