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Author Topic:   Has The Supernatural Hypothesis Failed?
petrophysics1
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Message 153 of 549 (574942)
08-18-2010 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by jar
08-11-2010 9:22 AM


Stories as evidence
jar writes:
Remember, any God(s) or god(s) is not totally un-evidenced. To be a God or god it was in a story.
I don't understand why you are having such a gard time.
I am NOT saying that the story is evidence of the existence or not existence of the God or god. I am saying that the story is the evidence for the belief, the method of transfer.
Hi Jar,
When I was a kid I had this dog which was always eating pheasants on our front lawn. Now dogs are not known for catching birds but this dog had no shortage of these birds to eat.
Basically my family considered that he some how could smell them on the ground and then would kill them. My Uncle Al was a big pheasant hunter and it would drive him crazy after hunting to see when stopping by our place all the pheasant my dog had caught.
He asked my Dad if he could take the dog and train it to hunt for him. My Dad said "No, the dog doesn't need you to catch pheasant".
One day I was out walking in the fields with the dog and he stopped. I did likewise. He then moved slowly foward and a pheasant sprang up in front of us. He jumped a good 5 1/2 ft. into the air and caught that pheasant by its tail and killed and ate it.
Never seen anything like it, then or since. I'm the only one who ever saw the dog do this. No one else ever saw him do this.
You know I can't realy test this story scientifically since the dog died when I was 24 and now I'm 61.
On RAZD's scale of 1-7 (strong theist-strong atheist), I'm a complete 1 on this story. It would be insane to be otherwise, since I saw it happen.
I can see how others might take any stand from 1 to 7 on it and I don't see that as being irrational since their viewpoint and expierence may be different. Although a 7 might make me wonder about a person since they at least have this story as evidence. Discounting my story for no reason would make me think there is some psychological problem at work there.
At any rate please feel free to use this story as evidence that my dog actually existed and that is how he hunted pheasant.
Can the same be done with God's existence? If you say "No" please make sure you have looked EVERYWHERE you can in the physical universe. Because if I can point out a place you didn't look, and you don't know about or understand, you are not going to look to smart.
BTW I'm a 1 on God's existence, based on the evidence I have, others may not be, but I'm sure I can show they haven't looked at all, in which case who cares what they think.
Be happy to pass the story and methodology along if you are interested....or not if you're not.
petrophysics
Edited by petrophysics1, : No reason given.

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petrophysics1
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Message 159 of 549 (575004)
08-18-2010 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by jar
08-18-2010 2:37 PM


Re: Stories as evidence
jar writes:
Always open to someone supplying evidence that some god or God is real. Just haven't found anyone who can offer such evidence yet.
Hi Jar,
You probably haven't found a single person who has seen a dog like mine who could catch pheasants.
Your lack of observation has nothing at all to do with the existence of my dog and the way he hunted.
This is going to take me a bit of time to present in shortened form, but presenting everything I think needs to be shown, so you understand what I am talking about.
It's possible you may still not get it, but I will do my best, to show you what I did and how it works.
The evidence for God"s existence is in you, not me, I'll just show you a way to find it.
You can look and try it if you like....and see if I'm correct. If you find the same things I have, it adds to my evidence....if not, that's fine as well, just let me know. I'm always willing to look and learn.
My next story to you will be fairly long, as it concerns a fair part of my life, but I'll try and get it done this evening after fishing.
Pay attention to HOW the atheists here try and counter my arguments. You will see a pattern....both you and RAZD have come up against it many times over the last several months.
"Has the Supernatural Hypothesis Failed"......No...not unless you create a "Strawman"on what supernatural is, remove evidence on a whim if it doesn't fit your POV, and assume you have looked at and KNOW EVERYTHING in the physical universe.
I'll be back. Let's see if these boys have looked at everything.
petrophysics

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