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riVeRraT
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Message 178 of 271 (574673)
08-17-2010 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by hooah212002
08-12-2010 11:47 AM


Re: Correct, but uselessly so
"hooah212002" writes:
Which is exactly what you would expect from a book of (sometimes) feel good, allegorical fables; not a book of facts.
That is completely false. There are several books of facts that you would read, and get something different from it every time you read it. Several atheists have admitted to that on this forum.
If you read about love, does it have the same meaning to you when you were a child, as it does today? As your view on the world changes, and your intelligence grows, the same wisdom read in a book can easily take on a new meaning.
Which one is the bible touted as being?
That is left for you to decide. The Holy Spirit, is the Spirit of truth. Once you know that truth, then the truth will set you free.

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riVeRraT
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Message 195 of 271 (575246)
08-19-2010 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by Theodoric
08-17-2010 8:58 AM


Re: Science: objective? Nah.
"Theodoric" writes:
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer is evidence for the existence of Tom Sawyer.
Tom Sawyer is sold as a fiction book.
Where is the documentation? Show me the documentation.
Historicity of Jesus - Wikipedia
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Early Historical Documents On Jesus Christ

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riVeRraT
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Message 197 of 271 (575250)
08-19-2010 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by hooah212002
08-17-2010 10:23 AM


Re: Correct, but uselessly so
"hooah212002" writes:
Not at all what I meant. Love is a feeling. "Wisdom" is not intelligence or knowledge. I said a book of facts. If I read a nuclear physics book 10 years ago, it still says exactly the same thing and means exactly the same thing today. It is inconceivable that I would pull a different "meaning" out of it.
Are you a robot, or a person? You have feelings, and you need to learn about those feelings. The bible has facts in it, and those facts do not change. When I read about when the woman pouring perfume on Jesus's feet, that image remains unchanged in my mind. But the reason why may change. Much of the bible deals with philosophy and feelings, but that does not make it invalid, or any less valuable than a book on nuclear physics.
You ALL interpret the same book in your own way and assert that YOUR way is the "truth" and the ONLY way.
No, we all don't do that. The truth is the truth, you can't change truth. The truth is separate from I think the truth is, or how much I've learned about the truth. Most of us understand this, and we are just disciples, learning the way. If my way was the only way, I would be God, and that is not the case.
If your close friend told you he had a pink and blue zebra standing right next to you, but it could only be seen if you believed in it's majik powers, would you believe him? Would you take the leap of faith?
Ah the old pink unicorn/.santa clauss bit. Really these simple ideas do not compare to God, or what is taught in the bible. If it were only that simple. I can't speak for everyone, but there are no blind reasons why I believe. The reasons I believe are very tangible to me, and some story or fairy tale, or yoda.
I was a believer at one point, quite recently. The only feeling I got out of it was a sense of belonging to a group. While a nice feeling it was, it wasn't a magic spirit or any such thing. It was comforting at the time, nothing more.
The thing I dislike the most about religion is belonging to a group. But it comes with the territory. Groups can be good and bad. After all, groups are just man. I said I believed for many years before I felt something more.

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riVeRraT
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Message 201 of 271 (575491)
08-20-2010 6:48 AM
Reply to: Message 198 by hooah212002
08-19-2010 8:39 AM


Re: Correct, but uselessly so
"hooah212002" writes:
Really? It's funny how NONE of you can name any pertinent to this topic, which is also key in validating your fairy tale book. The only possible facts in your group of books is possibly the names of some places. The topic is detecting god and none of you have provided a way to do so.
Nice contradiction...really.
Again, "truth" is a meaningless word coming out of the mouth of a theist.
The truth is one of the most powerful things you could ever experience. We could go on and on about truth, and how important it is in life.
Ok, name something then. Prove it.
Well, I've been, for the last 6 years.
You also keep saying "prove it", as if to say you would only believe in something if it was proven. But nothing in life is ever really proven.
Which is exactly why "truth" out of the mout of a theist is meaningless: what is "truth" to you mean diddly to me. remember, we are talking about detecting god here.
Which is why I mention truth.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 202 of 271 (575496)
08-20-2010 6:57 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by Theodoric
08-19-2010 10:03 AM


Re: No first hand accounts?
"Theodoric" writes:
There has already been a fantastic refutation on this board already. Kapyong destroyed this line of thought 5 years ago.
Message 8
Well I don't really have the time, or the knowledge to refute all this. However it seems really silly to me, and hypocritical to say that because someone didn't write about Jesus, means He didn't exist. There could be a whole slew of reasons why.
I get a real kick out of how we can 2000 years later be arguing about this stuff. Stuff that changed the world. There were others before Him (so I've heard) but they didn't change the world like He did. The reason why Jesus changed the world from His walk on, is because what He was teaching is from God.
No one hear can prove it.......or dis-prove it.
How is this relevant?
That is my question to you. Make a valid comparison.

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 260 of 271 (580357)
09-08-2010 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by hooah212002
08-20-2010 10:22 AM


Re: Correct, but uselessly so
"hooah212002" writes:
Well, I can prove to you that my dog is real when he bites your ass. I can prove that pavement is hard by slamming you down on it. I can prove a horse is real by riding it. I can prove I have gas by ripping a stinky ass fart.
Now prove your god is more real than my fart, because as it stands, he's not.
No you can't prove any of those things, sorry.
I already told you, it's not up to me to prove to you anything. It is not up to me to prove God to you, that's up to you.

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