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Dirk Member (Idle past 4044 days) Posts: 84 Joined: |
quote: Plus that most other animals would die from the climate as well; I don't see a polar bear thriving in the mountains of the Near East, or a pinguin for that matter.
quote: So, basically, there would be only fish left. Luckily, science has shown that we all evolved from water animals anyway, so that means that the ark is still not disproven by science
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Most fish would die to. They're pretty sensitive to salinity levels in the water. The upheaval of the flood would wipe out the majority of fish species too.
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rw23 Junior Member (Idle past 4988 days) Posts: 2 Joined: |
> Really? Interesting. Do you have any details?
Cheetahs. They're believed to have gone through a genetic bottleneck during the last ice age. I recall reading one report based upon mitochondrial analysis, which suggested that there may have been as few as seven breeding females at that point. I can't find the exact reference but Wikipedia may give you a starter if you're interested.
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rw23 Junior Member (Idle past 4988 days) Posts: 2 Joined: |
Ha! Just realised that seven females matches what the bible says about animals on the ark!
Disclaimer: I'd sooner put my trust in mitochondrial analysis than in anyone's mythology.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And that is the very BEST case, and does not include the humans.
In the myth found in Genesis 7 it says
quote: So the largest breeding population is only seven females of a given kind. The human breeding population is only four females and the unclean breeding population is only two females of any given kind. Note this is the more forgiving version. The version of the myth found in Genesis 6 says that the breeding populations for humans is still but four however all the other kinds only have a breeding population of two females. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 304 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Ha! Just realised that seven females matches what the bible says about animals on the ark! Cheetahs aren't kosher, so there would only have been two of them.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Dirk writes: For my first post, I hope to have come up with an intriguing question: which animals would populate the earth today if the flood really happened? Let's assume that the ark was indeed large enough to contain all land animals (which, according to most YECs includes the dinosaurs, if I'm not mistaken) and that there was enough food. So, after the flood the ark sits 4000m high on Mt Ararat and Noah opens the doors to release them all. What happens? Who gets killed first and who survives? Who freezes to death and who makes it off the mountain? And did Noah release the chickens and cows and pigs and sheep as well, or did he keep them in the ark so that he didn't have to catch them later if he wanted eggs & bacon for breakfast? And what would we find on Mt Ararat, except for the ark, of course? Would there be evidence of a massive slaughtering of slow, fat animals by tigers, velociraptors, and so on? Hi Dirk. Welcome to EvC. Please stay with us and share more of your stuff. You have proposed some missconceptions here.
2> Logically, no dinos were on the ark. they, being the cursed serpents all died either before or at the time of the flood, the cursed short legged belly crawlers and snakes being the cursed offspring hatched from the parent dinos. There have been debates on this, but I'm convinced that that is the clear implication of the Genesis record. 3> The pre-flood diet of animals and mankind was vegetarian, there being so much vegetation, fewer, shallower and smaller oceans and a super relatively even temperature globally.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food: (Gen 1:30) and to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, [I have given] every green herb for food: and it was so. 4> Having been vegetarians, and likely having an abundance of survival food, including dried food, hay, etc aboard, they would have been disease free and in very good health during the sojourn. 5> The record does not mention insects. Likely God saw to it that they survived on and in floating debris, some on crevices, etc on the ark itself, and perhaps some, like the animals were providentially directed into the ark or on the animals which went in. 6> Perhaps God enabled the animals and birds to survive a long hybernating fast during the voyage. After all, he allegedly fed the wandering post-Exodus Israelites with manna from heaven in the wilderness for some forty years. 7> Whether Noah and his family kept some domestic animals for milk, eggs, travel and work, etc is irrevelant. What is revelant is that they survived and propagated prolifically. These are a few things for consideration. Creationist claims deserve as much leeway as secularist science allows for their claims. As is the case with unknowns in scientific theories, unknowns exist in the Genesis record. Edited by Buzsaw, : Delete a word BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
The pre-flood diet of animals and mankind was vegetarian, there being so much vegetation, fewer, shallower and smaller oceans and a super relatively even temperature globally. Vegetarian? Explain canine teeth in mammals, and carnasial teeth in carnivores. Even temperature? Please explain the several ice ages. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Logically, no dinos were on the ark. they, being the cursed serpents all died either before or at the time of the flood, the cursed short legged belly crawlers and snakes being the cursed offspring hatched from the parent dinos. Didn't we cover this a few years back? Dinosaurs are birds, not "serpents." I mean I guess if the last time you saw a representation of a dinosaur was when you had dinner in one you might think that dinosaurs were "belly-crawlers", but for the past thirty years or so we've understood that dinosaurs were active, warm-blooded avians with complex behavior, not lumbering scaly simpletons. And if snakes are the descendants of dinosaurs (they're not) post-Ark, then how could there have been a snake at the beginning of Genesis?
The pre-flood diet of animals and mankind was vegetarian, there being so much vegetation, fewer, shallower and smaller oceans and a super relatively even temperature globally. Even from your perspective this can't be true; many of the fossil organisms we dig out of the ground have meat-eating teeth, not plant teeth. Since (in the Ark mythology) those are the remains of pre-Ark species, we know that meat-eating must have predated the Ark.
Having been vegetarians, and likely having an abundance of survival food, including dried food, hay, etc aboard, they would have been disease free and in very good health during the sojourn. Never talked to a rancher, have you, Buz? Vegetarian livestock get diseases too. Frequently as a result of too-rich food and cramped conditions - exactly as it would have been on your ark.
The record does not mention insects. Probably because insects were beneath the notice and regard of the ancient-times storytellers that originally spun the story of Noah.
Perhaps God enabled the animals and birds to survive a long hybernating fast during the voyage. After all, he allegedly fed the wandering post-Exodus Israelites with manna from heaven in the wilderness for some forty years. Manna, as every entomologist knows, is nothing more than the waxy secretions of scale insects: and it's impossible to see how bug slime has anything to do with hibernation. Frankly the notion that someone as old as you believes in fairy tales of arks and floods is astounding. You should be embarrassed to put this stuff out there like it's true.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
The pre-flood diet of animals and mankind was vegetarian, there being so much vegetation, fewer, shallower and smaller oceans and a super relatively even temperature globally.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 304 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
1> The Genesis record did not cite the landing site high on Mt Ararat. It cited it in the mountains of Ararat, which includes the foothills which would be more suitable for exiting the hoofed animals etc from the ark. The text says that "the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat", and that "in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen." Which can only mean that the Ark grounded on the mountains of Ararat while they were still submerged. The draft of the Ark can't have been more than 30 cubits (that being its height) so it can't have grounded more than 30 cubits below the highest point of the mountains. It certainly couldn't have run aground on the foothills while the tops of the mountains were still underwater.
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Hi Buz,
Would you be so kind as to limit your claims to those you have evidence for? Thanks. --Percy
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
The Genesis record did not cite the landing site high on Mt Ararat. It cited it in the mountains of Ararat, which includes the foothills which would be more suitable for exiting the hoofed animals etc from the ark. It is a curious property of receeding water that the highest points are uncovered first. Let's look at what it says:
quote: So, while you're technically correct - it does specify "the mountains of Ararat" - it's also pretty clear that the waters are still covering most of the Earth, thus the Ark must have come to rest on one of the highest points of the mountain since the lower ground would still be underwater.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buz writes: 3> The pre-flood diet of animals and mankind was vegetarian, there being so much vegetation, fewer, shallower and smaller oceans and a super relatively even temperature globally. Buz, once again you simply post falsehoods, ones that have been shown to be totally refuted and you certainly must be aware that they are false. You have been shown that the Biblical Flood stories are just myths and the Biblical Flood never happened. In addition, you were shown that the diet of humans and animals was not vegetarian in a thread over four years ago.
quote: Why do you keep posting false information? Edited by jar, : fix link stuff Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 369 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
Why do you keep posting false information? In order to fell the giant with a slingshot one requires magic pebbles.
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