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Huntard
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Message 3 of 19 (577756)
08-30-2010 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Ragged
08-30-2010 9:36 AM


Ragged writes:
Here's a recent article about some german banker who says that jews share a certain gene.
Your link doesn't work.
{ABE}: This will work
I'm just wondering whether its such a far-fetched idea that all races share certain genes. If races usually share certain phenotype, wouldn't it make sense that they share certain genotype as well?
Races, perhaps (I don't know for sure), but Jews are not a race, they're a religious group, just like "Christian" is not a race, but a religious group.
Edited by Huntard, : Added link

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Huntard
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From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 5 of 19 (577772)
08-30-2010 10:53 AM
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08-30-2010 10:35 AM


Ragged writes:
Thanks for getting the right link, sorry about that.
No problem mate, that's why it pays to preview your posts.
But wouldn't a non-religious person of Jewish decent (both parents Jewish) still be considered a Jew? Isn't that both a religion and ethnicity?
No, that's a misconception often held by people, I mean, look at these pictures (from Message 269):
DevilsAdvocate writes:
Sephardi Jews:
Indian Jews:
Ashkenazi Jewish family:
Bukharan Jewish teacher and students in Samarkand, modern-day Uzbekistan:
Amazonian Jews:
Kurdish Jews in Rawanduz, Iraqi Kurdistan:
Chinese Jews from the city of Kaifeng, China:
Ethiopian Jews:
You can't tell me they all share a gene in common that they only share with each oither, yet not with, say Muslims from Iraq, Christians from Ethiopia or Hindus from India.

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Huntard
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Message 14 of 19 (578017)
08-31-2010 2:05 PM
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08-31-2010 1:53 PM


Re: what about other races though
Well, Just because he asked that question, I had my doubts, the second girl is probably from north Africa. The first one is a bit tricky, I guessed she'd be from somewhere in Asia, because of him asking the question, so I cheated a little (no, I'm not gonna tell you how ). It turns out, she's from the Philippines.
Which is the point he was trying to make. It's not so easy to say that there is an "African" race, or an "Asian" race. For as you can see, the one with the lightest skin is actually from Africa, and thus, African. The darker skinned woman is from The Philippines, and is therefore Asian. Therefore, your proclamation of:
Ragged writes:
For example, in the top picture the girl definately has African ancestry even if its mixed with something else.
Is wrong, other than in the sense that we of course all share African ancestors.

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Huntard
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Message 16 of 19 (578057)
08-31-2010 4:44 PM
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08-31-2010 4:20 PM


Re: what about other races though
Ragged writes:
That Philippine girl has African blood in her, even if it is mixed with Asian blood. And I know this simply by looking at her. Because of colonialism and travel we have people of different races live in different places. Just because a person of European descent was born in South America, it does not make him latin.
See, that is where you go wrong. She is in fact from the Ati people. They are not Africans we put there, they were already there when we (I mean the western world) discovered the Philippines. In fact, genetically, they are the most distantly removed from Africa peoples we have. (if that made sense, what I meant to say was that their DNA has the most differences of any ethnic group when compared to African DNA, with the Exception of one gene, that codes for dark skin, but that could easily have arisen a second time in a population, more different than ours, in fact). So no, she does not have "African blood" in her, in fact, she has even less than we all do (since you know, ultimately, everyone came from Africa).

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