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Author | Topic: Faith healing: why does god need to asked to heal people? | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Phage0070 Inactive Member |
archaeologist writes: practice what you preach in your first paragraph. Asking a question which introduces possibilities that go against your belief system does not constitute an ad hominem or a factual claim. Pointing out that your defensiveness appears to be a transparent act of declaring victimization to avoid answering a simple question is also not an ad hominem, as I do not base the conclusion of my argument on the claim. Please keep in mind forum guideline #4: "Points should be supported with evidence and/or reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions." You have not supported your claim that a small proportion of seemingly answered prayers should be considered proof of an active or even existing god through reasoned argumentation. You have not provided any additional evidence or enlarged upon the argument when presented with rebuttals. Please provide a reasoned response, or drop the bare assertion.
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caldron68 Member (Idle past 3869 days) Posts: 79 From: USA Joined: |
i put the Bible ahead of all fields of study and i do not compromise what i believe. whichis why i can say there is no micro-evolution either--can't be because whenGod created he saw it was good so there is no need for micro-changes to improve any species. Archaeologist, at first I thought that this was a mistake and that what you really meant to say was "macro" evolution. But no! you mean micro-evolution and you have convinced yourself that all of the cold hard facts that support micro-evolution are not facts at all. Yes, Genesis tells us that God created everything and that he saw it all as "good". Unfortunately, the Bible does not go on to say that micro-evolution was not part of God's plan. The fact that micro-evolution has been proven a thousand times over should tell you something about your own personal interpretation of the Bible. God did not detail how he created life in the Bible and he certainly didn't tell us that evolution was not of his making. One more thing to consider on this subject. The story of Noah tells us that Noah loaded 2 of each "kind" on to the Ark. Not 2 of each specific species, but 2 of each "kind". Well in order for us to have the diversity of life that we have today from a small starter pool of just 2 of each kind, you must have evolution, both macro and micro. Cheers,--Caldron68
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caldron68 Member (Idle past 3869 days) Posts: 79 From: USA Joined: |
Except in the case of amputees, where it seems to require rather a larger number. More than seven billion, apparently. ahh the amputee perspective. God is not forced to heal everyone and why He does not heal more than He does is up to Him and He has His reasons. Ahhhh, the typical Christian response. God works in mysterious ways... No, in this case God has NEVER chosen to heal an amputee. In all of recorded history, not one man has had a limb grow back after an amputation. This is not God working in mysterious ways, this is proof that God simply does not exist. By the way, you said you had a way to prove that God exists. Well, I would be really interested in a description of this proof. Cheers,--Caldron68
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
On Archys website he clearly explains why God hates amputees.
quote: Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3990 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
archaeologist elsewhere writes: Why weren't humans designed with re-growable limbs? For the simple fact too many people would cut their limbs off just to watch them grow back. I know I would. Lord knows archy has driven me to extremities. Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given. Have you ever been to an American wedding? Where's the vodka? Where's the marinated herring?! -Gogol Bordello Real things always push back.-William James
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Meldinoor Member (Idle past 4836 days) Posts: 400 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
That explains why regular cuts and burns don't heal either! Too many people would regularly inflict paper cuts on themselves just to watch them heal! Oh wait. Never mind.
Respectfully, -Meldinoor
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
And it explains why Jesus didn't raised Lazarus from the dead or heal the blind man in Mark 8. Too many people would have gone about killing themselves and poking their eyes out ...
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Boof Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 99 From: Australia Joined: |
archaeologist elsewhere writes: Why weren't humans designed with re-growable limbs? For the simple fact too many people would cut their limbs off just to watch them grow back. Makes you wonder why god designed the male orgasm though - awful lot of time wating there...
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archaeologist Inactive Member |
You have not supported your claim that a small proportion of seemingly answered prayers should be considered proof of an active or even existing god through reasoned argumentation. You have not provided any additional evidence or enlarged upon the argument when presented with rebuttals. last i looked you were not a moderator nor an admistrator so either practice what you preach or do not respond to me again.
the Bible does not go on to say that micro-evolution was not part of God's plan yes it does, read Gen 1:30
The story of Noah tells us that Noah loaded 2 of each "kind" on to the Ark. Not 2 of each specific species, but 2 of each "kind". Well in order for us to have the diversity of life that we have today from a small starter pool of just 2 of each kind, you must have evolution, both macro and micro. that is where you are wrong again neither exist nor did God use them. you forget how genes are designed to work and they do not require any form of evolution. evolutionists are just trying to steal God's glory.
in this case God has NEVER chosen to heal an amputee prove it for i know that is false as we have the gospels recording Jesus healing the lopped off ear of a person who came to arrest him. what you mean to say is you have willfully chosen to distort the idea of healing to justify your unbelief. amputees are healed, just not in the way they want. if the limb didn't come off, they would die. if the limb didn't heal from the amputation, they would die. God heals amputees but He heals them in the way He WANTS because He knows that the amputee is asking for restoration not healing. the rest of the comments are not worth replying to as they come form those who are not sincere and just want to make trouble.
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
i think these healing miracles can be proved or disproved
lets get 1000 terminaly ill creationists, 1000 atheists, and 1000 evolution-theist all in the same stages of similar aflictions. have the pope and as many other priests as possible pray over the creationists and whit no modern treatment. the atheists would get only modern treatment and no praying of any kind the evolutoin-theists would get both praying and modern medicine. im sure in this world of 7billion ppl we could get some to go along whit it. and to make it easy on god to disprove his healing powers he only hasto match 50% of the results of modern medicine. the other 2 would have to have a diference of say 5% to meirt further investigation. Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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caldron68 Member (Idle past 3869 days) Posts: 79 From: USA Joined: |
yes it does, read Gen 1:30 Gen 1:30 says....
30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food; and it was so. Please explain to me how this explains that evolution is not part of God's master plan. Evolution, or specializations among like species, is a scientific fact. What you fail to see is God's glory in his own works.
that is where you are wrong again neither exist nor did God use them. you forget how genes are designed to work and they do not require any form of evolution. evolutionists are just trying to steal God's glory. So there's a distinction between how genes work and evolution as an engine of change? You REALLY need to explain this one because if you're saying there's another path towards macro/micro changes within and across species, you need to get it down on paper and prepare to receive your Nobel prize.
prove it for i know that is false as we have the gospels recording Jesus healing the lopped off ear of a person who came to arrest him. what you mean to say is you have willfully chosen to distort the idea of healing to justify your unbelief. amputees are healed, just not in the way they want. if the limb didn't come off, they would die. if the limb didn't heal from the amputation, they would die. God heals amputees but He heals them in the way He WANTS because He knows that the amputee is asking for restoration not healing. the rest of the comments are not worth replying to as they come form those who are not sincere and just want to make trouble. My unbelief IS justified by the fact that in all of recorded history, no man has ever had a limb restored after an amputation. The Bible is not an authoritative source on whether amputees have been restored or not. The Bible is filled with fantastic stories that are not supported by reality (Jonah and the Whale). And lest you forget, Luke 22:50 simply says that Malchus was "healed". It does not say that he was restored. There's a big difference and you have chosen to use this passage to prove that God does indeed restore amputees. Sorry, you can't have it both ways. If God can "restore" (your words) Malchus, he can restore others, but of course there is absolutely no evidence for this outside of the Bible. My disbelief is well justified. God chooses to heal/restore in an arbitrary and capricious way. More specifically, God chooses to heal/restore only those ailments that may move into remission on their own. By the way, I'm still waiting for that "proof" of God's existence. Cheers,--Caldron68 Edited by caldron68, : Edited for syntax.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
frako writes:
I don;t think the creationists will be too happy with that, you see most creationists are protestant, not catholic.
have the pope and as many other priests as possible pray over the creationists and whit no modern treatment.
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
i taught that that they just say that the pope is the hed of the church when the catholics also have him as a mediator for god or somthing like that.
so the hed of the church should have some more sway whit god evan if he is no mediator
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
taught that that they just say that the pope is the hed of the church..... Yea, the head of the Catholic church. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. Your god believes in Unicorns
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
frako writes:
Some protestant groups think that the pope is Satan's representative on earth, and they deny that catholics are even Christian.
i taught that that they just say that the pope is the hed of the church when the catholics also have him as a mediator for god or somthing like that.
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