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slevesque
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Message 3 of 15 (581219)
09-14-2010 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nessie235
09-14-2010 10:25 AM


What is your level of knowledge on the subject ? What is your field of interest ? (genetics, geology, cosmology, etc. ?)

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slevesque
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Message 5 of 15 (581314)
09-15-2010 12:59 AM
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09-14-2010 5:33 PM


How about "fiat creation of species"? Isn't that what we're arguing about?
You know what I meant. Creationist litterature covers all the different areas of science. The Bible makes a wide variety of claims, which includes the creation of the different kinds, but not solely that. Not only that. but he also asked for ID books as well, which is pretty lagr on it's own.
And finally, there are books about the history of creationism in recent times.
I'm really disappointed. When I saw that you'd posted on this thread, I resolved that whatever book you recommended, I'd order it from my local library and read it, and urge "nessie235" to do the same.
What is the best book? The first book I read about creationism was by one Dr Jolly F. Griggs, and it was hilarious. But I am willing to believe that you guys have something better up your sleeve. Please produce it.
Reall didn't mean to 'dissapoint' you
I have to say that I haven't read a whole lot of creationist books. I usually read the daily articles on creation.com and also reading the Journal of Creation articles which keeps me up to date about what's going on. I have a couple of books I plan on buying but don't have the time to read them usually.
Still, here are a couple I would recommend:
- Genetic Entropy by Dr. John C. Sanford. Maybe the 'must buy' not only because of the excellent credentials of the author, but that I think he makes a very compelling point. It is also insightful from a person who went from atheist, to theistic evolutionnist all the way to creationist in the middle of a great scientific career. However, this book isn't a presentation of evidence for recent creation (although I guess it could be indirectly), it is instead a refutation of Neo-Darwinian evolution as a plausible mechanism for evolution.
- Bones of Contention. I appreciated this one because it focuses strictly on anthropology for the whole book, instead of other creationists books who seem to only skim the surface of subjects before moving on. He also doesn't bother about the dates (although he doesn't accept them), and shows that the human fossil record isn't what it should be if ape-to-human evolution had happened.
Starlight, Time and the New physics: Written by Dr. John Hartnett. A good read even though it's not long, particularly because it explains Mosh Carmeli's cosmological relativity. Which does seem to be a legitimate hypothesis from my layman perspective, although I plan to look into all this in more depth when I acquire the knowledge to judge it more critically at university.
Flood by Design - Was a good read for a layman in geology like me. This could be worth looking into strictly because it explains the current creationist model of the flood, which could help in understanding it rather then making strawmans. (I'm talking in general).Has some intriguing arguments and example, but nothing too in depth.
Darwin's Black Box - I guess this should be a read for the sole purpose that it is such a talked about argument, and I sometimes wonder how many people think critic it and think they got it all figured out without ever having read it. I guess ''On the edge of evolution'' would be a good pickup as well (I haven't read it) because from the ouset it seems that it complements irreducible complexity into a more watertight argument.
THese are all books I have read, the following are some that I plan on buying:
In the beginning was information - Once again, I wonder how many people critique it without having ever read it. I haven't read it, this is in part why I have never engaged into a discussion around here about ''how do you define information'', not knowing enough on the subject. I would 'guess' this book would have creationist answer. It is available online on the AiG site if I remember correctly.
The Design Inference - By William Dembski. I waiting to have more knowledge of statistics before buying this one, but it is one of the main books of the intelligent design movement that I know of.
The Creation-Evolution Debate: Historical Perspectives by Edward J. Larson Read a recent review of this book on creation.com and think I'll buy it. Seems like an unbiased view of the history of the creation/evolution debate from three lectures given by an atheist.
The RATE research volumes would be a most buy for anyone wanting to critic their research, although it's expensive. But I think I saw the chapter free on creation.com or AiG or ICR (can't remember which) although I can't seem to find them now.
That's all I got right now. Satisfied now ?

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slevesque
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Message 9 of 15 (581375)
09-15-2010 10:49 AM
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09-15-2010 1:49 AM


Bones of Contention is the Lubenow book yeah.
If there was one book, I guess it would be genetic entropy. For the reasons I said above: the author has great credentials, the topic is narrow and comprehensible for a layman yet compelling for a professionnal.
I would also add that Sanford has been an active creationist lately (developping the Mendel's accountant program, etc.) So you'll see his argumentation more often in the future.

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