Genesis 1 vs. Genesis 2

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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You use a lot of poor excuses.
I don't read or speak new speak so your argument here is silly.
Create...form...make.
These can share definitions.
And, they have definitions they don't share.
Spelling has nothing to do with what I said.It is quite simple.
It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English and to re-translate as you wish so as to pretense one's self to be correct.
Others also don't realize that the LORD God who put the Bible together speaks perfect English and specifies all his terms and meanings.Edited by Joseppi, : No reason given.

Hi NOMA,Welcome to EvC. A lot of people think an education or a degree qualifies them to understand the Bible. But the Bible declares that it is spiritually deserned.Now I disagree with your presentation of what is written in Genesis chapter 1 and 2 and would love to discuss it with you.I have a thread Here where I have affirmed that there are 2 creations presented in Genesis chapter 1 and 2.If you care to discuss this topic with a litteral fundamentalist please join me there, and refute my affirmations.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Joseppi, I did study Biblical Hebrew in Bible college.The original had no vowels, no spaces, no verses, no chapters and no capitals.Any capital letters in the OT was provided by the translators.ANy chapters and verses was provided by the translators.Any vowels was provided by the Masorets.BTW the throne of God will not exist on this earth. It will exist on the New Earth in the New Heaven of Revelation.The throne of David will be restored and Jesus will rule over the earth from Jerusalem for 1000 years.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

You said: First, Hebrew did not have either case (upper and lower case) or punctuation so there was no distinction based on capitalization.Second, there is NOTHING in Genesis 1 related to "God's intention was to eventually put his throne on earth and dwell there." That is just stuff you are making up.Here is Genesis 1:

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Genesis 1

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1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

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2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

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3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

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4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

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5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

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6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

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7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

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8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

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9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

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10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

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11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

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12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

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13And the evening and the morning were the third day.

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14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

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15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

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16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

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17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

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18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

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19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

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20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

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21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

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22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

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23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

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24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

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25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

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26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

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27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

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28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

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29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

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30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

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31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

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There is nothing in there to support your assertion.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Noma&Nopaakaan Orphan said:

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Not until the orignal poster proves that they actually do conflict, no.

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This is a good point. And, athough one might pick at this poster for attitude, nevertheless, an intelligent person would admit that the OP was merely the pontification of a popular assumption, since, as the above quoted poster said, where's the evidence?
As for me the evidence is in English, and is found in the Bible I read and it isn't difficult to understand it as some here seem to find it.

Huh?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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First, Hebrew did not have either case (upper and lower case) or punctuation so there was no distinction based on capitalization.

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I don't believe the Hebrews had no way to express titles, names etc.
Your idea that if Hebrews didn't capitalize letters then no translated text should have them is ludicrous.

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Second, there is NOTHING in Genesis 1 related to "God's intention was to eventually put his throne on earth and dwell there." That is just stuff you are making up.

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You would have a better argument than, assuming I made something up, if you explained why it is indeed capitalized. And further, why you assume it means nothing.
I didn't expect you to grasp the understanding since you may not be well read with respect to the Bible. And, you seem to have great difficulty with a plethora of simple English usage.
Anyway, the Hebrew this or that argument carries no weight with me, because I think it is certain that you have no understanding of Hebrew comparable to any of the translators of the Bible I read.Edited by Joseppi, : No reason given.

On the contrary, parallelism is a common rhetorical device in English as it is in Hebrew. It's often used to show subtle differences of viewpoint but not fundamental differences of meaning.Another example is:

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Amos 5:24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.

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The differences are subtle, not fundamental. Isaiah 43 doesn't say anything of the sort. That's just an interpretation that you're putting on it. In fact, that's exactly what it's saying, classical parallelism. Please stop trying to use English punctuation to understand a Hebrew text. The semicolon isn't even there in most translations.

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Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

I never said that translated texts should not use capitals, I said that the Hebrews did not use case sensitive letters or punctuation. Please look and you will see that I included the full text of Genesis 1. There is NOTHING in Genesis 1 related to "God's intention was to eventually put his throne on earth and dwell there." That is just stuff you are making up.

בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Jar said:

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Second, there is NOTHING in Genesis 1 related to "God's intention was to eventually put his throne on earth and dwell there." That is just stuff you are making up.

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Concerning putting the throne of God on the earth. Well, that is what the end of the matter is all about as the book of the Revelation reveals, and with which it closes the Bible.Solomon was fully aware of this and speaks of it in his discourse and prayer at the dedication of the temple.
One reason David was said to be a man after God's own heart is because David realized that building a permanent temple was a wise thing to do.Previous to that, in the course of revelations from God, when God brought the children of Abraham out from Egypt by use of Moses, then he taught them they were a church and he commanded Moses to build the tabernacle tent that moved from place to place.In the same way that the dove found no rest until it found an olive branch, and in the same way the dove that was the manifestation of the Holy Ghost rested upon the man Jesus of Nazareth, so, the tabernacle of God moved about until a resting place was found.This is one of the main revelations of the Bible. Which is why is noted so early in the message. For the temple of God, where his throne is, involves not only the physical manifestation of a final temple upon the earth, but also in the heart of them that receive him by faith.So, your notion that there is nothing involved deeper than you have thus far surmised is simply, ignorance.Edited by Joseppi, : No reason given.Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add blank lines.

Good grief. We are talking about Genesis 1 & 2.I repeat, there is NOTHING in Genesis 1 related to your assertion that "God's intention was to eventually put his throne on earth and dwell there. "

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Hi Joseppi, It was capitalized because those who translated the Bible from Hebrew to English decided it should be capitalized.It was not capitalized for any other reason.So yep you are making things up.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Someone asked about which heaven is which.As Solomon said, the heaven, and the heaven of heavens, cannot contain God.This is a quote that shows that the sky is one heaven, the outer space is another, and the heaven of heavens is where God's throne was originally and still is until after the great white throne judgment.Genesis verse one is the heaven where God dwelt with his hosts of heaven, where the rebellion against God began.The deep was a deep well in that heaven filled with many waters (metaphically means many opinions).
The earth was at the bottom of that deep place and sat as described in verse two, in darkness without light, void of life, and unformed as is a lump of clay awaiting a potter.The earth was created at the same time as the heaven of verse one, because God was prepared with all his legal evidences before any rebellion against his throne ensued.The earth was left in it's basest form and condition because by it's being the most base of all things created, it was the perfect legal device to prove that the seeming foolishness (as men think) and foolish things of God are wiser than any of the highminded rebels.Thus, by setting his seal to the clay he evidences his truth's in the clay man, Jesus of Nazareth and thusly, legally exposes and disposes of all rebellion in an orderly way.Edited by Joseppi, : No reason given.Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add blank lines.

But none of that is in Genesis 1.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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I never said that translated texts should not use capitals, I said that the Hebrews did not use case sensitive letters or punctuation.

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And I pointed out how your statement carried no logical weight. Get over it and move on.

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Please look and you will see that I included the full text of Genesis 1.

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And I appreciate anyone who publishes the Bible. thanks.

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There is NOTHING in Genesis 1 related to "God's intention was to eventually put his throne on earth and dwell there." That is just stuff you are making up.

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And you are making up the notion that I'm making things up. You see? It's not an argument to make unsubstantiated claims.
In case you are not aware of this, I am pleased to inform you that the Bible is a teaching. That is why God created all things in six twenty-four hour days. He wasn't showing off. He could've done in no time at all. Or, he could've taken his sweet time. But, he did it in the manner described in Genesis to teach man a thing or two. Now I know this is of no interest to you but, that has nothing to do with the Bible. If you want to pretend nothing is being taught or meant and have concluded that it's all a fable then you are free to remain in the dark. It's your choice. But, as for any logical argument of merit? well...you haven't made any and it should be noted I think.
Anyone can make endless claims as to what they opinionate about whatever. so what? Opinions is that thing I care least about, so you're going to have to do better I think.Edited by Joseppi, : No reason given.