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Message 109 of 295 (576893)
08-26-2010 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by ringo
08-25-2010 2:04 PM


Re: Chronology
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
I don't want to waste time talking to you about Genesis at all. I just wanted to point out that even Answers in Genesis know more about Hebrew than you do.
I can understand why you don't want to discuss Genesis with me.
But why would you accept AIG statements on anything when they are classified here at EvC as a bunch of idiot's and not trustworthy.
Now if you can find someone over at AIG that is equal to Delitzsch, Dillman, Pusey or Driver I will read what they have to say and give it weight. If not I will take their advice along with my studies instead.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 112 of 295 (576912)
08-26-2010 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by jar
08-25-2010 3:51 PM


Re: Chronology
Hi jar,
jar writes:
Nothing in Genesis 2 refers to Genesis 1. They are two different myths written by two different cultures at two different periods in time. Further, the myth found in Genesis 2&3 was written hundreds of years if not thousands of years before the fable written in Genesis 1.
Whether you believe the text or not, nor whether it is a myth or when it was written does not matter
Does Genesis 1:1 say? Yes/No
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Does Genesis 2:4 say? Yes/No
2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Please explain why Genesis 2:4 is not refering to the time the Heaven and Earth began to exist.
jar writes:
There were no chapters in the Hebrew scrolls, or verses. What we see as chapters or verses is the editing and redacting of much later folk.
There was no chapters in the original Biblical Hebrew. Agreed
There was no verses in original Biblical Hebrew. Agreed
The Torah (what is known as the 5 books of Moses) in Babylon in the Talmudic Era was divided into fifty-four sections.
jar writes:
There is no continuity or relation between the myths.
In addition, they are all factually wrong.
Do you have any documentation or evidence to support these two assertions?
God Bless,

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Message 114 of 295 (576921)
08-26-2010 1:12 PM
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08-26-2010 12:25 PM


Re: Chronology
Hi jar,
jar writes:
Of course. The earth could not be created before the sun.
Why not?
But who said it was?
The universe was created in the beginning including the stars, moon, sun, and earth. Everything you can and cannot see was created in the beginning.
jar writes:
Plants were not created before sea life.
According to what witness?
According to what observal reproducable evidence?
jar writes:
Seed bearing plants were not the first plants.
According to what witness?
According to what observal reproducable evidence?
jar writes:
That is sufficient to prove that Genesis 1 is not factual.
According to whom?
jar writes:
Man was not created before plants and animals.
According to what witness?
According to what observal reproducable evidence?
jar writes:
That is enough to prove that Genesis 2 is not factual.
According to whom?
jar writes:
Further, even if Genesis 2.4 was actually part of Genesis 2, it is NOT referring to Genesis 1 which had not even been written at the time.
I never said it was refering to chapter 1 of Genesis.
I said it was refering to the day the LORD God created the Heaven and the Earth.
Which happens to be recorded in the first line in the Torah.

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Message 115 of 295 (576922)
08-26-2010 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by purpledawn
08-25-2010 8:35 PM


Re: Light and Darkness Metaphors
Hi PD,
purpledawn writes:
The narrator said he rested, not that he continued to rest.
The Hebrew text says God ceased from His creating work.
Has He begun to create again since that time?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 120 of 295 (577226)
08-27-2010 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by jar
08-26-2010 1:30 PM


Re: Chronology
Hi jar,
jar writes:
I'm sorry but you are just playing silly word games and that is not what the story says. Genesis 1 is the first book of the Torah and it says that the sun was created on day four not on the first day. You just seem to love taking crap out of context.
You are on record as saying there was no chapter and verses in the original text.
You are on record as saying redactors have arranged these texts.
So on what evidence do you base the conclusion that I am playing silly word games.
I read Genesis 1:1 and it says: "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth.
A simple declarative statement of completed action.
I then read Genesis 2:4 which says: "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"
This is a declarative statement that the following verses are the generations/history of the heavens and earth.
This is a declarative statement that, that history is of the day the Lord God brought into existence the Heaven and Earth as well as how He formed/made the earth and the heavens.
Now please explain how/why I should not come to the conclusion that the verses following Genesis 2:4 is the history of what took place in Genesis 1:1.
jar writes:
The witness that supports my assertions is called physics and the earth.
Is physics a mechanism?
I thought physics was a scientific study of matter and energy and how they interact with each other.
jar writes:
This earth was created after the sun and as part of the process of creating this solar system. It is all just the result of physics.
I have no problem with the earth being bara' created after the sun was bara' created.
I do have a problem with the assertion that the sun was created in Genesis 1:16. The sun already existed but was made visible to the earth at this time.
In the KT extenction event it is said the sun could not shine for at least a year and would be reduced by about 20% for around 10 years.
Does that mean the sun did not exist while it was not penetrating the cloud of dust and gases that covered the earth?
I don't think so. The sun was there it just was not visible but when the cloud and gases were disapated the sun could then do its job.
jar writes:
We can see the progression of life forms over time.
Well no we can't. We can see millions of years of stasis with very little change.
We have fossils of life forms that is millions of years old and living life forms today of the same life form with very little change.
Then all of a sudden we have new life forms with no links to any preceeding life form which is called punctuated equilibrium.
But if as you say we can see a progression of life forms why is it that none of the trees of life have a picture of the life form that existed when the branch branches off the trunk?
I only see the picture at the end of the branch.
So the fossil record attests to the fact of Biblical teaching of kinds not evolution.
jar writes:
The first seed bearing plants appear about 150-200 million years ago. There was lots of plant life before then.
Sea live existed before land life.
There is nothing in the record of the events that took place in the day the LORD God created the Heaven and the Earth that says seed bearing plants appeared before non seed bearing plants. In fact no seed bearing plants are mentioned.
So whats the problem?
We have fossils of sea life microbes dating 1.43 billion years that are nearly identical to the archaea- and bacteria-harboring structures found today on sea beds.
What does that prove? It proves the Bible is correct when it talks of kinds.
jar writes:
We can check the validity of the mythology claims made in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 against the record that really exists, the earth we live on and the answer is, the myths are factually wrong.
No, you can only check the validity of the misunderstandings of what the record of Genesis chapter one and two says happened.
Genesis 1:1 says in the beginning.
The first thing you would have to do to compare what the Bible says with the record found in the earth is determine when the beginning was.
Was the beginning l3.7 billion years ago as the present claim is?
If so then you would need to know how all the matter and energy that the universe is created from began to exist.
The current solution to the problem of that matter and energy beginning to exist is that it already existed in a former universe or some form.
The problem with that is, how did the matter and energy begin to exist to exist in one of those forms?
So we have two statements to compare.
Bible: "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth."
Science: In the beginning "we don't know".
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 121 of 295 (577227)
08-27-2010 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by purpledawn
08-27-2010 6:32 AM


Re: Light and Darkness Metaphors
Hi PD,
purpledawn writes:
You're adding to the story. You have no evidence from the story for your position.
OK you win God is not resting from His creation work today.
Maybe one day I will be able to come to the conclusion you have, if not I will ask Him to explain it to me the next time I see Him.
God Bless,

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Message 142 of 295 (577784)
08-30-2010 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by Joseppi
08-30-2010 7:17 AM


Re: Still Inconsistent
Hi Joseppi,
Joseppi writes:
It doesn't say what you wrote here.
It reads instead....
Genesis 2:4 ...in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens....
Well I quoted the exact verse and you quoted only half of the verse. Here is the full quote again.
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created."
"in the day the LORD God created the earth and the heavens."
In Message 96 I said: "According to the text "in the day" refers to the day the Lord God created the heaven and the earth."
So please explain how what I wrote is incorrect.
Joseppi writes:
In the first verse there was only one heaven created.
Heaven didn't become "heavens" until God created the firmament and called it Heaven.
Which heaven was that?
You stated in Message 128:
The three heavens of which Paul speaks is...
1) The atmosphere of the earth.
2) The cosmos in which the earth dwells.
3) The heaven where God's throne is.
Which one of these places did God inhabit when He created the heaven and the earth in Genesis 1:1?
In Genesis 1:1 God created the heaven and the earth.
In Genesis 1:6 God created the atmosphere and called it heaven.
The Hebrew word שמים transliterated shamayim means: from Brown, Driver, Briggs Lexicon:
1) heaven, heavens, sky
...a) visible heavens, sky
1) as abode of the stars
2) as the visible universe, the sky, atmosphere, etc
...b) Heaven (as the abode of God)
The Hebrew word שמים in Genesis 1:1 and the Hebrew word שמים in the first half of Genesis 2:4 and the Hebrew word שמים in the last half of Genesis 2:4
are the same word in the same tense. The difference in the translations was at the translators choice.
In Message 131 You said:
The chosen meanings of words are determined by context not by dictionaries.
But you can not change the meaning of the words. You can only use the variations of the words.
Well the meaning of Hebrew words come from Hebrew Lexicons. The words used in the KJV Bible was chosen by the translators as are all the other versions.
That is why I studied Hebrew for 6 years at college level and then have studied it for the past 40 years so I would not have to accept what they said.
In Message 126 You said:
Genesis 1:2 says that darkness was upon the face of the deep. God allowed no light in the deep until he said..Let there be light.
The deep was a place in the singular heaven.
The text says:
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
This verse says that something you call "the deep" was the earth that was created in Genesis 1:1 and was at this time covered in darkness and water.
So yes it was a place in the heaven created in Genesis 1:1.
So what was your point?
In Message 127
Who's trying?
Genesis 1:2 was the indetermate period of time between the creation of the earth and heaven and the creation of our present cosmos.
You are.
Genesis 1:2 is the dark period following the light period in which Genesis 1:1 took place.
According to God's definition of a day in Genesis 1:5 day is a light period or the combination of a light period and dark period.
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
I have hear this mentioned several times but I have seen no text to support such an assertion.
Back to the current message I am responding too.
Joseppi writes:
And Jesus will come again to establish God's throne on earth forever in the culmination of a new heaven and a new earth. Where once again a singular heaven and a singular earth will exist.
In Message 128 you said:
And Jesus will come again to establish God's throne on earth forever in the culmination of a new heaven and a new earth. Where once again a singular heaven and a singular earth will exist.
But that is not the present as you asserted.
God's throne will be on the earth not up in the sky. Read...the book of the Revelation.
Also, note that Solomon in his dedicatory prayer concerning the temple he built in Jerusalem expressed this understanding.
But that is still in the future it is not in the present as you asserted.
The use of capitalization to mark ownership and other things is not required.
capitalization did not exist in the original text.
The translators of the Bible disagree with your opinion and noted what they discerned the Hebrew text to be stating.
The translators of the KJV Bible used capital letters on heaven and earth in Genesis 1:1 as they felt the heaven and earth was a proper name for what God brought into existence.
But itt does not matter what translators say, as you can find one who says anything you want to read.
If you don't believe that just go to the Bible book store and see how many different translations you can find.
I have 44 different translations on my computer that I can read, and I have access to over 100 more.
Now when it comes to the original text there was no capital letters, no verses, and no chapters.

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Message 149 of 295 (579406)
09-04-2010 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Coragyps
08-26-2010 3:57 PM


Re: Chronology
Hi Coragyps,
Coragyps writes:
According to the witness of the rocks that your man-in-the-sky supposedly created. That evidence is reproduced in mines and oil wells and archaeological digs and basements all over the world!!
But the fossil record does not witness to evolution being a fact.
In fact it says evolution as presented does not happen.
The record in the rocks support the account given in Genesis chapter 1 and chapter 2. That kind produces like kind. Adult dogs produce baby dogs, elephants produce baby elephants etc.
The record in the rocks shows a life form appearing all of a sudden and remaining for thousands or millions of years
with very little change and then going extinct.
If it contained the record that is presented at EvC as existing you would be able to find a tree of life with a picture of a life form at the bottom of the tree. You would find a picture of a life form at each place on the tree that a branch appears on the tree trunk, as well at every fork in the branches. You would also find different life forms scattered all through out the trunk as well as the branches.
But all we have is what someone has placed at the tips of the various branches. Everything else is to be taken on faith as there is no evidence for any life form existing at these separation points.
God Bless,
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Message 151 of 295 (579413)
09-04-2010 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by jar
08-27-2010 6:07 PM


Re: Chronology
Hi jar,
jar writes:
I'm sorry. I don't play word games.
You could have fooled me on this one.
jar writes:
Genesis 1 says the Sun was created on day four.
Be specific, which verse says the Sun was created on day four?
Where do you find כרא used in Genesis 1 concerning the Sun?
jar writes:
Genesis 1 says the Earth was created on day 1.
That is impossible.
But that statement is not in Genesis 1.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
This says the Earth was created in the beginning along with the heaven.
It does not put a date of beginning to exist anywhere in the book. It only says in the beginning.
jar writes:
Genesis 1 says nothing about the sun appearing on day four.
It sure does not say anything about the Sun being created on day four.
But from day four the Sun was visible from the Earth.
jar writes:
Genesis 1 says that grasses and seed bearing plants were the first plants.
Genesis 1 says no such thing.
1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
This verse says the earth was to produce the grass seed yeilding herb and fruit trees from the seed that was on the earth.
Seed being on the earth would require plants to have existed to produce those seed. So no these plants were not the first plants.
jar writes:
Genesis 1 says that grasses and sed bearing plants were created before the sun.
Well no the earth was told to produce the plants from the seed that was in the ground prior to the work done on the sun.
There is no Hebrew word in Genesis 1 that refers to the creation of the sun.
If you can find the Hebrew word כרא in Genesis concerning the Sun please point it out.
jar writes:
Genesis 1 is simply incorrect.
You made that statement 3 times in your post to me.
Your claim has been refuted.
The problem is not that Genesis 1 is incorrect. The problem is that jar has no idea what Genesis 1 says.
So jar is simply incorrect.
God Bless,

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Message 182 of 295 (581398)
09-15-2010 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-15-2010 8:14 AM


Re: Oh yay, another one.
Hi NOMA,
Welcome to EvC.
NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN writes:
That said you dont need to be a bible scholar or fundamentalist to have a reading ability of an eleven year old.
A lot of people think an education or a degree qualifies them to understand the Bible. But the Bible declares that it is spiritually deserned.
Now I disagree with your presentation of what is written in Genesis chapter 1 and 2 and would love to discuss it with you.
I have a thread Here where I have affirmed that there are 2 creations presented in Genesis chapter 1 and 2.
If you care to discuss this topic with a litteral fundamentalist please join me there, and refute my affirmations.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 183 of 295 (581400)
09-15-2010 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Joseppi
09-15-2010 11:29 AM


Re: Capitalized.
Hi Joseppi,
Joseppi writes:
Heaven is not capitalized until the eighth verse.
The heaven and the earth were created in the beginning recorded in the first verse.
The heaven in that first verse is singular and there was no division into the other two heavens at that time.
Heaven in capitalized in verse eighth to inform the believer that God's intention was to eventually put his throne on earth and dwell there.
I did study Biblical Hebrew in Bible college.
The original had no vowels, no spaces, no verses, no chapters and no capitals.
Any capital letters in the OT was provided by the translators.
ANy chapters and verses was provided by the translators.
Any vowels was provided by the Masorets.
BTW the throne of God will not exist on this earth. It will exist on the New Earth in the New Heaven of Revelation.
The throne of David will be restored and Jesus will rule over the earth from Jerusalem for 1000 years.
God Bless,

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Message 192 of 295 (581413)
09-15-2010 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Joseppi
09-15-2010 1:00 PM


Re: capitals and multiple heavens
Hi Joseppi,
Joseppi writes:
You would have a better argument than, assuming I made something up, if you explained why it is indeed capitalized.
It was capitalized because those who translated the Bible from Hebrew to English decided it should be capitalized.
It was not capitalized for any other reason.
So yep you are making things up.
God Bless,

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Message 229 of 295 (581513)
09-15-2010 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-15-2010 6:08 PM


Re: Oh yay, another one.
.Hi NOMA,
NOMA writes:
You seem to be implying that I am not "spiritually discerning" the scripture here. I fundamentally take umbrage at that remark.
When I said:
ICANT writes:
A lot of people think an education or a degree qualifies them to understand the Bible. But the Bible declares that it is spiritually deserned.
I was implying nothing other than you are discussing this subject with a lot of very educated people who think their education is all they need to understand the Bible.
If you fit in that catagory then I would have to include you.
NOMA writes:
literal fundamentalist"
Definitions:
Literal = Adherence to the explicit text or doctrine as recorded.
Fundamentalist = Fundamentalism refers to a belief in a strict adherence to an established set of basic principles.
I use the KJV Bible as it is the best English version we have. Is it perfect? No, that is the reason I spent so many years studying Greek and Hebrew so I would not have to settle for what someone else says it says.
I practice what is taught in the Bible beginning with the two commandments given by Jesus. I believe as John 3:18 teaches that a person is condemned because they have not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
I also believe and practice the doctrines taught by Paul.
Now if that does not make me a literal fundamentalist I don't know the definition of one.
NOMA writes:
Honestly I'm not particularly interested in "debating" a non negotiable non debatable topic much further,
You haven't started debating yet. Neither has those who have been replying to you.
Nobody is affirming and nobody is refuting. Everybody is on their hobby horse preaching their message.
In the OP it is presented that the orders in the stories found in Genesis chapter 1 and 2 are different.
They are, because they are about two different events at two different times in eternity.
God Bless,

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Message 231 of 295 (581515)
09-15-2010 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by jar
09-15-2010 10:07 PM


Re: capitals and multiple heavens
Hi jar,
Read your questions and thought I would answer them.
jar writes:
Why did they include two stories?
Because they were about two different events.
jar writes:
Why did they place the younger, newer tale before the older tale?
Because some copyist thought that is where it should go.
jar writes:
Why didn't they merge the tales together like they did with the at least two, more likely three, Flood myths?
Because they were not about one event. Besides God said He would preserve His word.
jar writes:
Why didn't they edit the material to eliminate the conflicts, the discrepancies, fix up the mistakes?
There are no conflicts or discrepancies in the two stories. So there is no mistakes to fix up.
God Bless,

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Message 238 of 295 (581579)
09-16-2010 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by hepteract
06-25-2010 2:48 PM


Re: Back to the OP
Hi hepteract and anyone else who cares to comment.
hepteract writes:
Once again, the orders are as such: Genesis 1: Animals, Plants, Man & Woman. Genesis 2: Man, Plants, Animals, Woman.
This contradiction seems to debunk the inerrancy of the bible. This thread is to provide a place for debate as to whether or not it actually does.
There are no contradictions.
Genesis 1:2-2:3 is a story of what has been refered to as the events known as "Seven days of Moses".
Genesis 2:4-4:24 is the history of what took place in the DAY the LORD God created the Heaven and the Earth.
These two separate events took place billions if not trillions of years apart in duration as we call time. Source
God Bless,
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Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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