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NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN 
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Message 220 of 295 (581488)
09-15-2010 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by jar
09-15-2010 7:44 PM


Re: What version is the correct
This in an off topic post, and is simply a further demonstration of the wanton denial and stuck in the mud rebellious teenager childish antics and refusal to admit fault.
Very disspointing . Oh and that's regardless as to whether Hanz Christian Anderson wrote it or not you do realise that dont you?
We are talking the basics of being able to read english here as laid out in the G1 and G2 (fable or not) not your insubtantiated "scientific" theories about anything esle;. OKAY? So get real? Or I will safely assume you are figment of my imagination a fable and duly ignore anything else that spews forth out of your non existant gob.
NOTHING and I REPEAT NOTHING I have said was or is an ASSUMPTION. My comments re G1 and G2 that I directed to you where comments made about WHAT WAS and IS written down, not what is assumped by you as your "preferred" version of the events of creation or evolution. Lets get that clear before you waffle off topic adinfintum.
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Message 225 of 295 (581500)
09-15-2010 9:12 PM
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09-15-2010 8:02 PM


Re: What version is the correct
lol, A science forum dealing with biblical accuracy is it?
Sorry about that. I thought it was a bunch of bald face liars stating the bible states things that it clealry does not state nor even imply which I might add has nothing to do with science and or the scientific method. It has everything to do with the ability or lack there of to understand plain English.
That you want to continue to attempt to drag me off topic is only an admission that your out of ideas. Thanks Pal. Ill take that as an admission of defeat. I also wish to note that the admin in this thread where quick to jump on me with an "off topic violation" for insisting that I don't get dragged off topic and yet your wax lyrical off topic all the way to the ultimate dead and dieing non exisitant 747s grave yard.
What ever you say College what ever, floats your boat, your gonna need something to make it float because right now it's scrapping along the bottom of a smelly barrel.
Phew....
NB: This was posted before I saw the "Off topic" on your post from the Moderator.
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Message 226 of 295 (581503)
09-15-2010 9:38 PM
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09-15-2010 12:47 PM


Re: capitals and multiple heavens
What evidences is in the bible precisely?
Please clarify what you mean by that if you don't mind. I'm not tracking where your coming from.
I will try to adjust my attitude in the hope that everyone will like me and let me be their friend - because your all such nice and lovely people and then a brute beast like me turns up to ruin the party, it's a horrible world innit? Umm does that mean I have just proved evolution is a farce as well as obliterating th OP, why I think it does, I'm freaken brilliant.
Love youss and God bless yousssssssss
I speak English good so member dat in da future when it coms to discussuing fings like langugae and not sciences.
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Message 227 of 295 (581505)
09-15-2010 9:46 PM
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09-15-2010 8:03 PM


Re: What version is the correct
Im sorry are you in support of the OP or opposed to it?
This question will give you an indication as to precisely how well you are communicating your ideas to me. Please clarify.
Thank you (In plain English if you dodn't mind) I don't speak Hebrew or Greek - throw me a fricken bone here.
While your at please explain to me what "default chronology" means, but only if you think some one as daft as me will be able to understand you.
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Message 232 of 295 (581520)
09-15-2010 10:44 PM
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09-15-2010 10:26 PM


Re: What version is the correct
In that case it would appear that what you are saying is in stark contradiction of itself.
But since you have no axe to grind and still won't admit the obvious I see no point in dancing around and round the mulbury bush with you.
I am sincerely happy that your enjoying yourself. Thats the main thing init? Making some nice little sand castles and stuff. good on ya.
You'll find me around drawing circles in the sand from here on in. (which is what I should have stuck too after my first post - silly me huh? DOH!!)
Id like to say it's been nice chatting with you but that would be dishonest of me.
Love
From me.

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Message 233 of 295 (581521)
09-15-2010 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by ICANT
09-15-2010 10:16 PM


Re: Oh yay, another one.
With all due respect brother - Rubbish, I refuted the OP yesturday evening. See posts 170 and 171. I'm done with this thread.
Re defining yourself as literal fundamentalist, I would have to say we are on the same page with your defination but possibily not on the exact same paragraph, but that's no big thing.
Where I fundamentally disagree with you is that the OP in question does not require any form of spirtual discernment to quickly and ably refute the nonsense suggestion that is being made in it. A simple reading ability of an 11 year old would suffice. There is nothing of scientific or scholarly biblical significance taking place in this thread.
And trainspotters using terms like "Primary supporting evidence" "Default Chronologyi" and "Pirori" in italix if you please - ain't gonna change that huh?
God bless you.
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Message 247 of 295 (582092)
09-19-2010 7:06 PM


Galizzions of years apart
There are many in this thread employing a new scientific evidence technique (unknown to me before now) called The throw away line IE:
Genesis 1 Animals, Plants, and Man. Genesis 2 Man, Plants, Animals, Woman.
Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are two "separate" ACCOUNTS.
Genesis 1 and 2 are contradictory
Genesis 1 and 2 took place billions of years apart
Genesis 1 and 2 are two separate EVENTS
Genesis 1 is for Jewish Adults ( IE grown ups) in support of the Sabbath and Genesis 2 was written for children. Awe sweet.
Genesis 1 is for Moses Genesis two is for the musical group Peter Paul and Mary
Etc, etc.
Ad infinitum
Based on what?
Umm because I said so, and or well it’s just my interpretation whilst under the influence of a Navaho Indian peace pipe session held in a wigwam on the reservation.
Or, whilst at a the Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao do Vegetal Church I ingested the illegal hallucinogenic drug dimethyltrytamine under religious grounds and read Genesis1 and Genesis 2 and the TRUTH became clear to me.
We have one chap here claiming to be a Bible Literalist/fundamentalist who states that the first man, where God blew the first breath of air into his lungs, was not Adam? He goes on to claim that billions of years later God created Adam and Eve. Mind you the same chap claims that one must be under the influence of the Holy Spirit in order to see it the way he sees it.
I would like to say that you are all a very entertaining bunch of chaps and God bless you.
That said is there anyone who is willing to provide proof, primary evidence, supporting documents or what ever else you "scientists" demand from the Bible believers as admissible evidence for your outlandish claims? I will accept a picture of a crack pipe or even a picture of an empty bag of cannabis ( with cannabis resin still present) as admissible evidence in this instance your honor.
My "evidence" is the two texts themselves. (Notably the same text as the OP has alluded/eluded to) I have clearly posted the two texts in posts 170 and 171 showing and proving that a read through of the text (granted you must be at least 11 before you can read it with some basic understanding of English) is
Is not contradictory
Is not billions of years apart
Is not two separate events,
Is not two different manifestations of gods or God
Is not one for children one for grown ups,
Is not one for Moses and the other for the musical group Peter Paul and Mary
And is in actual fact simply chapter 1 and chapter 2 of quite a thrilling "biblical record" of the creation events. Further more a basic read through with a basic understanding is proof enough that chapter 1 and chapter of Genesis do not prove that the bible is inerrant.
Does it proof that God created the world? No, but that is not the point of the OP. In conclusion, who ever you believe God to be or not to be. The Op does not prove that He did not create the world either.
What this thread does prove however is that the bible detractors have one set of rules and guidelines for themselves and another for the bible believers. It would appear both are equally open to the interpreter’s interpretation depending on what side he/she rolled out of bed that morning.
Does this make for any meaningful debate going forward?
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Message 249 of 295 (582099)
09-19-2010 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by ringo
09-19-2010 8:14 PM


Ringo, your not getting way with telling lies (to me at least). On face value they are not different so please provide some evidence that proves and or supports your claim that they are different on face value. I have proved that they are not different.
Stop clowning around please and thank you and prove that they are different. No one has done that in this thread nor has the OP which merely takes portions of scripture in each chapter out of context to make it appear that they contradict which is deceptive dishonest and dispicable at best.
AND NO I HAVEN'T MISSED THE POINT WHICH IS ANOTHER LIE FROM YOU. CAN YOU PLEASE STOP TELLING LIES AND MAKING FALSE OBSERVATIONS AND ASSUMPTIONS.
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Message 253 of 295 (582112)
09-19-2010 8:51 PM


Moderator
I shall be making some comments to moderators about the line of "arguement" in this thread. All the best guys.
Kind regards
NOMA
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Message 255 of 295 (582129)
09-19-2010 10:36 PM
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08-24-2010 3:29 PM


Re: Chronology
What an obnoxious 62.7 year old yank. Just because I live in NZ doesn't make me a Kiwi. Another wrong assumption.
In your photo when your looking out into God's beautiful creation., what is it you looking for?? Proof of evolution? Let us know when you find any LOL. Because, I might add, if you ever did find any none of you would be circle jerking about in pathetic excuses for debates in threads like this would you? Of course you wouldn't. You'd be fending off attacks from within the Walled City by imbeciles with a death wish like we have to do day in day out.
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Message 257 of 295 (582134)
09-20-2010 12:24 AM
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09-19-2010 11:43 PM


Re: Chronology
JAR - The above QUOTES are not evidence, it is a quote. You need to provide evidence that clearly proves that G1 and G2 are two separate/different accounts. No one has done that, and until someone does I will be here calling you on all of your disinformation misinformation, cognitive dissonance and whatever else you "think" can be passed off as a valid point affirming the lie of the OP
The people who you are cutting and pasting from whatever source you are cutting and pasting them from do not become theologians just becuase your or they call themselves theologians.
But before you go off getting excited about the points of views and statement made by "theologians" A theology Degree is a degree that any athiest can earn by studying at a any University in the world. A theologian is not necessarily a worthy bible scholar who knows or understands the scripture and or the history of the scripture. There are bible scholars in this world who spend their entire lives devoted to studying just one book in the bible.
A theologian can pick up these letters after his name after three years at any secular university. Now lets see if you can google any of the following bible scholars and theologians to back up your ludicrous quotes that have been cut and pasted into this thread.
James A. Borland Th. D
Benjamin C Chapman Ph. D
Edward G. Dobson D.D
Jerry Falwell D.D, D. Litt
Paul R. Fink Th. D
Harvey D. Hartman Th. M.
Ronald E. Hawkins D. Min
Edward E. Hinsdon, Th. D D. Min
Elmer A. Jantz. Th. M
F.Gerald Kroll, D. Min
Woodrow Michael Kroll Th. D.
William E. Matheny Ph. D
Stephen R. Schrader Th. D
Elmer L Towns Ph. D D.D
Harold L Wilmington
Charles L. Fineberg Th. D Ph. D
Daniel R Mitchell Th. D
C Summer Wemp D.D
Edward R Roustio Th. D
James D. Stevens D. Min
James Freerkson Th. D
OH AND JAR PLEASE RESIST THE TEMPTATION TO GO OFF TOPIC AGAIN WITH YOUR PERFERRED VERSION OF CREATION EVENTS. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS DISINFORMATION FEST IS DEALING WITH AT PRESENT!!!!!!!!
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Message 259 of 295 (582147)
09-20-2010 3:03 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by ringo
09-20-2010 1:11 AM


Re: Chronology
This is the point of this thread
OP states that its says Genesis 1 Animals, Plants, and Man. Genesis 2 Man, Plants, Animals, Woman
Which is an actual fact a lie it does not say that at all. If you are saying it does then go ahead and prove it to me right now or stop talking to me in this thread because your tactics are annoyingly childish and repetative. I know you get your kicks from it but I don't. You have no axe to grind because you don't care. I do care, the OP is a lie. I have proved that, you need to prove that I am wrong and the that the op is correct, if you can't or won't do that then please just shut up.
The use of semantics and funny Scientic words means diddly squat mate, Different/separate what ever
Genesis Chapter one is Genesis Chapter one following on form that is Genesis chapter 2 IE chapter two of the same book. To even imply that there are two different/separate/contrasting... or whatever way you want to word is imbecilic. Now we all understand what the topic is at hand. I know what you are a saying it is, and I know what the OP is saying it is now can one of you children please go ahead and prove to me what you think it says that it actually doesnt say at all????????
The only thing worth while in this thread Ringo, is that you have garnerd an oh so funny (not) stupid signature from it. Grow up and move on pal.
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Message 261 of 295 (582298)
09-20-2010 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by purpledawn
09-20-2010 2:04 PM


Re: Redactor
When did the Redactor redact the Gospel of Mary?
The saviour said there was no such thing as evolution just before he evolved before their very eyes into a crocodile
The Gospel of Crocodile Dundee.
My new signature what do you think folks? Like it? Im taking votes.
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Message 264 of 295 (582357)
09-20-2010 10:34 PM
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09-20-2010 8:03 PM


Re: Redactor
Hi Percy
Great, thanks for that. Is it the right place to bring up that it is patently obvious that 9 out of 9 signatures are an intentional violation of rule number 10 and they follow people around like a bad smell in every post?
On a more serious note is it too much to ask that some proof be supplied to support what the OP states? IE:
Genesis 1 Animals, Plants, and Man. Genesis 2 Man, Plants, Animals, Woman.
When it actually states nothing of the sort!!!!!
CAN this be addressed? I have already shown that it says nothing of the sort and now me have wiseacres posting further illedged quotes from illedged clergy. Ummm why?
Back up and or support the OP first please and thank you. NOW!
Its time to get real in this thread, someone needs to prove that the OP says what it say IE that G1 and G2 contradict themselves when they IN ACTUAL FACT DO NOT!! So let's see if you genuinely are interested in furthering the discussion towards that end. Im definately on the same page as you if you are.
Mind you it must be said that given the OP is an irrational argement it will not be possible for this in suppport of it to provide rational arguemnetation will it? I have declared and proved it to be a LIE. So, in that case I would appreciate that the OP be declared false and then we can all move on to a more sane rational worthwhile debate. I now thats too much to ask but we all have our dreams and visions.
Cheers
NOMA.
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Message 266 of 295 (582371)
09-21-2010 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Theodoric
09-20-2010 11:28 PM


Re: Redactor
Lol, I didn’t post it mate, I don't have to prove that it is allegedly posted by clergy. The poster who posted it is alleging that it is. Let’s see him prove that it is if you really want to go down that line, which is just another futile attempt to dig a rabbit hole in the concrete isn’t it?
What do you really think that post of yours has added to the discussion other than to collect another OFF TOPIC pink stinker from me responding to it like this? IE with the disdain it deserves.
You know, out side in the real world we are all probably really nice blokes who would get on famously well over milk and cookies but in here you seem to want to incite violence it's really really sad.
I admit my spelling is atrocious and I've got dislexia hense all the edits I do, Apologies of that.
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