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Author Topic:   Genesis 1 vs. Genesis 2
jar
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Message 252 of 295 (582108)
09-19-2010 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-19-2010 8:21 PM


The god in Genesis 1 is competent, aloof, sure, unerring, overarching, creating by an act or will alone, but also separate from the created, impersonal.
The god in Genesis 2& 3 is unsure, unaware, sometimes afraid, a tinkerer learning by doing, creating by hand from mud and magic, but also human, personal having direct interaction with the created.
Two entirely different descriptions of god.

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jar
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Message 256 of 295 (582131)
09-19-2010 11:43 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-19-2010 10:36 PM


Re: Chronology
When looking at the story found in Genesis 1 and in the story found in Genesis 2&3 in relation to inerrancy, we can look at how the stories are viewed by theologians.
In the Pastoral Letter of Bishop Sims he said:
quote:
In Genesis there is not one creation statement but two. They agree as to why and who, but are quite different as to how and when. The statements are set forth in tandem, chapter one of Genesis using one description of method and chapter two another. According to the first, humanity was created, male and female, after the creation of plants and animals. According to the second, man was created first, then the trees, the animals and finally the woman and not from the earth as in the first account, but from the rib of the man. Textual research shows that these two accounts are from two distinct eras, the first later in history, the second earlier.
There is also the two entirely different gods described in the two stories as pointed out above.
These differences should force the reader to look and see if those differences do create questions about whether the Bible can be inerrant, or "under what definition of inerrant" could they fit?
Well it is obvious that neither can be taken as literal or factually true. If one is literal and factual, then the other must be false. When you also consider that both are factually incorrect, that neither describes creation that is compatible with the actual evidence that is the universe we live in, then they must not be meant as scientific or historical accounts.
They can be considered as inerrant in regards to the belief that GOD is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen. The different tales may be understood as accounts created by people of differing cultures, times, milieus, one, the latter, from a much earlier tradition and concept of god, the former a much later and somewhat more sophisticated god. They do agree on the "WHY" of creation,
Turning again to Bishop Sims' Pastoral Letter we find...
quote:
Insistence upon dated and partially contradictory statements of how as conditions for true belief in the why of creation cannot qualify either as faithful religion or as intelligent science. Neither evolution over an immensity of time nor the work done in a sixday week are articles of the creeds. It is a symptom of fearful and unsound religion to contend with one another as if they were.
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jar
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Message 263 of 295 (582328)
09-20-2010 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-20-2010 12:24 AM


On inerrancy
To continue looking at Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3 in regard to inerrancy it might help to look further and see how Christian Clergy see it.
For example, in the Clergy Project Letter we see the following...
quote:
Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible — the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark — convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.
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So the fact that neither of the accounts are factually correct and that the two different stories are mutually exclusive and the gods in the stories entirely different is not an issue.
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jar
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Message 285 of 295 (595604)
12-09-2010 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by arachnophilia
12-09-2010 12:50 PM


I think I would likely quibble with you slightly. I always see that as all is actually created at the beginning, since the earth is there in the balance of day one. Yes, the first VERSE is preamble and describing the rest of the story, but the first day still has an earth existing.
[uote]1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. [/quote]

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