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2ndReign Junior Member (Idle past 4943 days) Posts: 13 From: Wa Joined: |
I don't believe in God personally but for the sake of discussion, I will concede that he does exist for the simple fact how can there be any kind of in-depth discussion on God if we are still arguing weather God exists or not.
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quote: As humans,we like to understand things. We feel the need to put them into some type of category, to name them. This has been a good thing for our species in many circumstances but in the case of God the ability to define or even name him is an impossibility. Yet that does not mean that it is not worth the attempt to gain some understanding of what God is, only that we must understand before we begin that defining something limits that something, and describing something often gets confused with defining something. You try to define your love of someone by describing why you love them. You attempt to define the sky by describing its properties,etc. So based on this,can you define God? Some if most would say that God is good, merciful, just, loving, and all powerful. All of these are words to describe him. It doesn't make them untrue, it simply avoided the bigger challenge, and that is defining him.
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2ndReign Junior Member (Idle past 4943 days) Posts: 13 From: Wa Joined: |
I agree,no one can truly describe God or explain what god is. I often hear many different adjectives that describe God but nothing truly says what God is. If you say that God is a spirit,that doesn't tell me what God is but rather it tells me what God isn't.
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2ndReign Junior Member (Idle past 4943 days) Posts: 13 From: Wa Joined: |
quote: This is just as impossible as my question.Which is why I conceded this fact for the sake of discussion in order to have one, instead of remonstrating a point that will never be settled.
quote: I agree,I don't believe in God for the reason you stated,my question was mainly for those that do believe in God. And for Atheist,the question will always remain at the level of "Does God Exist" but you have those that believe he does exist and IMO some concessions have to be made if you want to have a discussion past that point. The same question can be put to us,those that don't believe. How can we prove he "doesn't exist?
quote: How can you name something that doesn't exist?
quote: I understand and agree,but you haven't defined him,you've just told me what he wasn't.
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2ndReign Junior Member (Idle past 4943 days) Posts: 13 From: Wa Joined: |
quote: Yes,this is the God I'm referring to, and I'm not trying to define him,I'm asking those that believe in him can he be defined. And your definition has just given him a limitation. I assume you are talking about the "known" universe,what about what is beyond that?
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2ndReign Junior Member (Idle past 4943 days) Posts: 13 From: Wa Joined: |
quote: I agree,we are dealing with two concepts,God and Man. Two words that describe two different concepts, God is a divine concept with endless descriptions upon it's superiority in all aspects while man is a much less concept with endless descriptions upon his need and inferiority. The human mind can never begin to understand what is God, instead it translates certain situations, experiences and information tailored and reviled by God to enable humans to deal with the concept of God and how to interact with him. In other words, only God knows himself and only God can describe himself.
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2ndReign Junior Member (Idle past 4943 days) Posts: 13 From: Wa Joined: |
quote: I like this answer. It has bee said that if any one person could describe GOD this person would not be able to put it in words as he is beyond description.
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2ndReign Junior Member (Idle past 4943 days) Posts: 13 From: Wa Joined: |
quote: I should have elucidated a bit more so the point I was trying to make would have been understood,but anyway, your point is well. made.
quote: No you haven't. Me saying that you are human only says that you are not a dog,horse,cow,etc. Edited by 2ndReign, : No reason given.
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2ndReign Junior Member (Idle past 4943 days) Posts: 13 From: Wa Joined: |
To put it simply,to say that you are human is to say that you are not an animal,there no need to be pedantic. So by saying what you are,also says what you are not.
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2ndReign Junior Member (Idle past 4943 days) Posts: 13 From: Wa Joined: |
And you don't see where you have limited God by saying that he is a big as the universe? Lets go with you and say that yes,he is as big as the universe,still isn't that placing a limitation on how big he is?
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2ndReign Junior Member (Idle past 4943 days) Posts: 13 From: Wa Joined: |
No,it was a genuine conceived and asked question. If anything,this question is more academic than anything else. Each side is dead set to believe how they always have. And you are correct with the formal part of your post.
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2ndReign Junior Member (Idle past 4943 days) Posts: 13 From: Wa Joined: |
quote: Hello ICANT,and to you and everybody else,thank you for responding to my post. Yes,that is how the Bible says God described himself. But that's ambiguity,and tautology because it tells us nothing. At least it tell me nothing. You said:
quote: Do you believe in "Free Will"? This has to be the ultimate religious dilemma. A God knowing all vs free will,and the dilemma is this: If God knows all then there is only one set of events that can occur. Therefore, there can be no free will because no matter what man chooses, the decision will be the one that God has foreseen,don't you agree? Deuteronomy 30:19 "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both you and your seed may live:" Now does it make sense for God to tell Israel to "choose" if there is no free will? And since this implies free will God can't be all knowing. BTW,you have manage to not limit God in defining him. It's like infinity,it's a quantity without bounds. Edited by 2ndReign, : No reason given. Edited by 2ndReign, : No reason given.
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2ndReign Junior Member (Idle past 4943 days) Posts: 13 From: Wa Joined: |
Hello ICANT.
MY fault,I thought you said that God was all knowing. I re-read your post and saw that this was not the case. You're right, Free Will has nothing to do with our topic.
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