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BarackZero
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Message 1 of 4 (585963)
10-10-2010 6:16 PM


While your header, at the upper right READS:
"Understanding through Discussion," all too many posts by members such as nwr demonstrate utter disregard for either understanding OR discussion.
Violations of your "Rule #10" are widespread and egregious, and yet you moderators do absolutely nothing.
Why do you insist on obeisance to rules when you disregard them, except for those you despise, of course.
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Message 64 of 68 (585843)
10-10-2010 7:40 AM Reply to: Message 59 by BarackZero
10-10-2010 4:47 AM
BarackZero writes:
BarackZero replies to yet another ad hominem attack
nwr: Thanks for demonstrating that you are ignorant of the meaning of ad hominem.
BarackZero writes:
Now as to "AlGorianism," it is a fervent belief, and you are one of the apostles.
nwr: You are making up bullshit and demonstrating that your ignorance is quite widespread.
BarackZero writes:
Name one promoter of anthropogenic global warming/climate change who is better known throughout America than Al Gore, and I will change the moniker to that hypocritical individual.
nwr: I follow the science, not the promoters.
BarackZero writes:
I have studied the science, and with greater scientific and economic acumen than you possess.
nwr: You can't have studied it very well, since you are completely wrong about it. Your estimation of your own scientific and economic acumen bears no relation to the reality of your stunning ignorance.

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Message 2 of 4 (585975)
10-10-2010 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by BarackZero
10-10-2010 6:16 PM


BarackZero writes:
Violations of your "Rule #10" are widespread and egregious, and yet you moderators do absolutely nothing.
Why do you insist on obeisance to rules when you disregard them, except for those you despise, of course.
I couldn't agree more.
Here is another example of offensive behaviour being tolerated by the Moderators...
My first post to BarackZero was a polite and pertinent question:
Panda writes:
Are you saying that if I keep a can of soda cold, CO2 will not bubble out of the soda?
which was completely ignored.
That is NOT a discussion!
Then I posted a thoughtful, considerate message:
Panda writes:
BarackZero writes:
Have you people any idea, any idea whatsoever how difficult it is to respond to one person after another after another?
I appreciate the irony of posting a reply to this comment, but I think it needs to be said.
Forum discussions are NOT a race.
If there are lots of replies to your posts, then no-one will be surprised if it takes you a while to reply.
If you rush your answers, then you are likely to be unclear and fail to communicate your points successfully.
So, my well-meant advice is: STOP...and breathe.
Take your time and focus on quality and not speed.
and this is the insulting reply I got:
BarackZero writes:
Panda writes:
I appreciate the irony of posting a reply to this comment, but I think it needs to be said.
Forum discussions are NOT a race.
If there are lots of replies to your posts, then no-one will be surprised if it takes you a while to reply.
BarackZero:
I appreciate the necessity of explaining my point of MANY of you versus ONE of me, but you missed this.
No matter how foul your pals are, for example the *gentle* soul who says I can't wipe Al Gore's ass, not one of you ever condemns hateful intolerance from your own side of the aisle.
Not one of you.
No matter HOW trivial your side's objections or spins or red herrings are, not matter how badly your side tries to refute me rather than thinking about what I have to say, NOBODY on your side ever gives any credit. No, all they do is give the usual leftist Heave Ho.
Shut up and get out is the bottom line from the left.
You're with the left, or you're OUTTA HERE!
Debate is impossible.
Panda:
If you rush your answers, then you are likely to be unclear and fail to communicate your points successfully.
BarackZero:
What "point" has ever been "successfully communicated" to AlGorians such as surround me? Name one. Just one.
It is most unscientific and anti-intellectual to deride someone and harass them. That is about all the left is capable of.
Panda:
So, my well-meant advice is: STOP...and breathe.
Take your time and focus on quality and not speed.
Barack:
My well-meant advice to you is to look impartially, if you can, at the vile messages of your pals.
I shall not bother to respond to such maliciousness in the future.
Let me quote from the Holy Bible:
"Answer not a fool according to his folly lest thou be like unto him."
You might ask your pal if HE has a premium account with Fidelity Investments.
You might ask him if HE has been atop the Great Wall of China, and the Berlin Wall, and hiked the Cinque Terre, and the Samarian Gorge, to name but a few.
You might ask him if HE is happily married, to the wife of his youth, or if HE has skied down a black diamond, or completed a marathon in the top 7% of finishers, or has caught a 230 pound ahi, or has dived below 125 feet, or has taken his less successful siblings to Paris and London for ten days, all on his own dime, or if HE has taken his parents and his in-laws to Hawaii, and to London, and to Paris, and to Switzerland, and to Mexico to name but a few trips.
On second thought, don't bother. I couldn't care less.
Clearly you moderators despise me and love BarackZero! /satire

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Message 3 of 4 (585982)
10-10-2010 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by BarackZero
10-10-2010 6:16 PM


Hi, Zero.
I know this is just going to start a fight (which is probably why a lot of other people have avoided writing this), but I think you need to hear it:
You started it. You made the argument about the people involved, rather than the issue, from your very first post.
In your very first post, you belittled environmentalists (a number of whom, by the way, you surely knew would be among your audience) and impugned the honor of researchers worldwide (a number of whom you also surely knew would be among your readers).
The first several responses to you were quite reasonable and level-headed, but you took them as offensive and responded in kind. And then, everybody got mad.
Take Modulous's advice. You decided to take on a controversial topic by aggressively posturing against the opposing side. You would be getting far fewer insults if you took a more neutral, calm and rational approach without jabbing at leftists all the time.
I hope I'm wrong, and that this won't blow up in my face, causing fights that I will forever feel guilty about starting, but, I expect that the moderators will close this topic quickly, anyway, so I feel okay about the risk I'm taking.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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Message 4 of 4 (585990)
10-10-2010 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by BarackZero
10-10-2010 6:16 PM


Hi BarackZero,
Remember the thread you opened this morning, the one titled Hyena Attacks? You were requested to bring any problems you were experiencing with discussion to the Report Discussion Problems Here 3.0 thread, but you have instead opened yet another thread for this purpose.
I suspended you for one hour about 10 minutes ago so that you would have a chance to read the messages posted to you in the Report Discussion Problems Here 3.0 thread, but now that I see this second thread, and now that I have a larger collection of messages from you on which to base an opinion, I've become concerned that constructive discussion may not be your primary interest. For this reason I'm going to increase the duration of your suspension to 24 hours. See you tomorrow.
From what I can see, people are treating you just about the same way you're treating them. When everyone on a highway is going the same speed over the limit the cops don't pull anyone over, and that's analogous to what I see going on in the threads you've posted to. To continue the analogy, you're definitely not the slowest car on the road. If you're concerned about the quality of discussion then I suggest you improve the tone of your messages a notch or two.
Again, if you feel you are having problems with discussion then you can bring it to the attention of moderators over at the Report Discussion Problems Here 3.0 thread. Of course, you've raised such a fuss that there's no need to do that now.
Closing this down.

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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