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SignGuy
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Message 56 of 89 (586714)
10-14-2010 1:37 PM


Haha, its amazing how double minded some of u seem to be in an effort or "fairness". Schools cqnnot haveO a lick of theology presented in class, but u have no problem teaching evolution as fact? Also u have a problem having evo banned, but dont want other religions taught? I have a great idea any topics relating to the origins of our universe be it from the bible or a book on evolution, be either all banned or all allowed.
Any time a person is undecided and is taught one point of view extensivly that person may likely end up following what hes tought before he has options to explore what he chooses.

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SignGuy
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Message 59 of 89 (586731)
10-14-2010 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by frako
10-14-2010 2:14 PM


Since when on earth did Evo theory become fact!? There is plenty of scientific, and common sense evidence to point towards creation.....but I get it, you are allowed to choose whats healthy for my kids because its not religious. In the mean time, it is possible that souls are at stake, but you aren't concerned with the possibility of interfering with a parents choice to raise there children as they wish or, the eternal destination of those kids.
You want religion kept out of the way of science, but not the other way around because of intellectual integrity????? I WANT TO CHOOSE WHATS GOOD FOR MY KIDS! I dont want religion taught in schools, and I am a Christian. God did not force me to follow him, so I dont want to shove religion down anybodies mouth. I thought that was the american way, to let everybody live how they wish, and have no interference.

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SignGuy
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Message 63 of 89 (586741)
10-14-2010 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Coyote
10-14-2010 2:40 PM


Re: Religious indoctrination
CHILD ABUSE????? Christianity teaches SOO MUCH about treating people nicely. If fact it teach that if somebody does something wrong against you to return it to them with KINDNESS. The doctrines are endless that teach to treat people properly! And so many line up with our culture already but you still dont like religion.
HATE?????? I don think so, not a stitch of doctrine teaches hate, NOT ONE.
Parents scream constantly to be aloud to raise children as they see fit, for parental equality if you will. But when it comes to religion, everybody wants the parental rights yanked from them.
Let me tell you this........you say we are teaching children to be deliberately ignorant of the world, I say we are teaching them to have peace on there death bed......Yet you want them to be scratching, and clawing for every last minute of life they can get because of the fear of death. Being a Christian, offers a sense of peace on any deathbed.
The question is where do YOU draw the line? Anything that interferes in a conversation I have with my children at the dinner table is something that should NEVER be tought in public schools.
If my child ends up not following our family beleifs, I will not condemn that child, or forsake him or her. I may never drop the subject, but I will never stop loving them and treating them as I would any other person.

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SignGuy
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Message 69 of 89 (586757)
10-14-2010 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by bluescat48
10-14-2010 4:16 PM


Re: Evidence please
I'll admit, in my mind much of the evidence I see is in basic observation of our planet. Im very perplexed as (even with scientific evidence , not to be confused with proof ) anybody could image our wonderful planet being an accident....I know its very typical or a creo to say that.
But my bible teaches of a great flood......and I see the grand canyon a result of an enormous flood of the earth, not a gentle carving over millions of years because many rivers that exist today could possibly be just as old, but will never carve a canyon like that. And im not a specialist in rocks, aren't many layers of the grand canyon really hard rock?? Wouldn't an enormours flood of water be needed to carve it?
some links:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2007/09/070907150931.htm
tel aviv school doesnt seem to have any religious affilliations, as far as I can see
Answers in Genesis
There is a definate differance between proof, and evidence. Proof is a smoking gun, and evidence shows the possibilty of what is trying to be proved. In my mind if there are conflicting evidences, than neither side of any case can be "proved".
I will digress on banning evolution because, as you showed me, you cant take evolution out without taking so many other items with it. I will just depend on good ol fashion parenting to enstill what I beleive is right to my children. If they follow a different path, that will change very little in my relationship with them.
question, would you be willing to meet any creo in the middle of the road?
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Got first link to be clickable.

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SignGuy
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Message 75 of 89 (586877)
10-15-2010 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by ringo
10-14-2010 5:59 PM


Re: Evidence please
Look, nomatter what evidence I bring to the table for creation there is an enormous amount of data interpreted to support your views. I still just see mounds and mounds of evidence, but no smoking gun.
And to be frank, I see the appeal of choosing to believe in evolution or some other natural process of existence. It is very convient, even if it all seems to be "logical". Because you see if a person doesn't want to be affiliated with any religion, they have secular science with mounds of data (that gets interpreted, the data may be true but it still gets filtered by scientific interpretation.....) to back up a "logical" choice. Furthermore, he or she never feels responsible for there actions to a higher being. They can live life as they choose, with little to no consequences and feel comfortable because a small group of people interpret data, and write convincing papers to justify the way they chose to live.
On the contrary, the reason science doesn't reason with Christians is because it is something you feel & experience. Becoming a true Christian is not easy, and not taken lightly. It is a VERY hard thing to trust in a God you cannot see with your eyes but know is true, alive, and Holy....consequently it is a VERY VERY emotional process filled with joy. Don't be suprised or offended if the majority of Christians dont even look at the data you present them. These people have experienced God, creator of the uninverse, personally and are very grateful and humbled that God cared so much to save them through Jesus Christ. But you want to take that away with science? cuz its more logical?
Be it pushy bible thumpers, or pushy evolutionist.....both parties can get very arrogant. From what I read from scriptures not everybody will end up choosing to follow God, so then why should I look down on people who beleive different? I dont, and I wont do that ever. I will, however, do what I am called to do. I will stand up for the Lord and share my beleifs with people who are willing & wanting to listen....I will not force feed my beleifs to anybody.
But in general, on this website, I do not feel a common respect for other parties. I have seen people who are religious called **** for brains, stupid, ignorant and ironically wicked. But actually it is very arrogant to think, even if it you are conviced its true, that any one party should insist that other people beleive the facts you claim are facts indeed, or else you are dumb. Brilliant people are Christians, and brilliants people support scientific studies....but neither should expect an entire planet will end up beleiving ONE point of view.....that is impossible without brainwashing on some level.....dont cry over spilled milk it doesn't change anything.

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SignGuy
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Joined: 10-14-2010


Message 77 of 89 (586891)
10-15-2010 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by jar
10-15-2010 11:13 AM


Re: Evidence please
Point taken....I will claim though, this isn't a majority. From what I can tell many Christians are pure creationists....but I accept your point.

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