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ICANT
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Message 121 of 238 (590827)
11-10-2010 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by Coyote
11-09-2010 12:54 AM


Re: 'Macro-Evolution'
Hi Coyote,
Coyote writes:
ICANT, this is a test.
We have the following passages from:
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent
Version 2.87, Copyright 1999-2006 by Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent
[V]ery complete fossil records should be smoothly connected geographically. Intermediates should be found close to their fossil ancestors.
The Equidae (i.e. horse) fossil record is very complete (though extremely complex) and makes very good geographical sense, without any large spatial jumps between intermediates. For instance, at least ten intermediate fossil horse genera span the past 58 million years. Each fossil genus spans approximately 5 million years, and each of these genera includes several intermediate paleospecies (usually 5 or 6 in each genus) that link the preceding and following fossil intermediates. They range from the earliest genus, Hyracotherium, which somewhat resembled a dog, through Orohippus, Epihippus, Mesohippus, Miohippus, Parahippus, Merychippus, Dinohippus, Equus, to Modern Equus. Every single one of the fossil ancestors of the modern horse are found on the North American continent (MacFadden 1992, pp. 99, 156-162). For more detail about the known evolution of the Equidae, consult Kathleen Hunt's thorough FAQ on Horse Evolution.
I could argue that the beautiful continuious transformation of Hyracotherium into Equus is false. I was taught this line in the school.
Gorge G Simpson in Life of The Past on pg. 119 agrees it did not happen.
In fact Kathleen Hunt in the FAQ referenced in your quote explains it very well.
I could also make the argument that the wide spans of time with no changes raised questions as to the process taking place.
I could argue that the absence of transitional forms raises doubts as to the process.
I could raise the question of the three toes to one as presented concerning the process, raising questions as the South American story is from one toe to three toes.
But since I know creatures can change over time as I have preformed the experiments myself on the farm why should I deny that change takes place. Things can evolve and devolve.
If you will enlarge my avatar you will see a animal the size of the Hyracotherium. Since the only pictures we have of the Hyracotherium is an artist rendition of what somebody thought the Hyracotherium looked like they could be the same animal except for the feet and teeth.
Since all those modifications could be and was made by microevolution where is the 'Macro-Evolution'?
Since everybody here screams they are different critters when they can't breed I would like to put forth my avatar animals as evidence that is a false assertion and assumption.
There is no way the stallion, the big horse can breed with the mare, small horse in my avatar.
Now if you want to get 'Macro-Evolution' in the horse picture you would need the critter that produced the Hyracotherium, and you might or might not have one. But that critter has not been found and we don't know what it looked like or what it was.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Coyote
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Message 122 of 238 (590829)
11-10-2010 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by ICANT
11-10-2010 12:11 AM


Re: 'Macro-Evolution'
Fail.
EPIC FAIL!

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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frako
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Message 123 of 238 (590837)
11-10-2010 6:00 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by ICANT
11-10-2010 12:11 AM


Re: 'Macro-Evolution'
Since all those modifications could be and was made by microevolution where is the 'Macro-Evolution'?
You and most Creos do not understand micro and macro evoulution are only terms used in 1927 to describe the same phenomenon on a diferent scale.
Micro evolution is when changes acure in the species, and macro when changes acure above the species level.
So micro is when say a breed of mice grow longer fur and can still mate whit the mice that did not evolve longer fur, macro is when enough micros happen that they cannot mate anymore whit the mice that did not evolve this way.
Moste creos belive that micro are small changes and macro is when a cat turns in to a dog in one step that is bullshit there is no such process macro is a combination of lots of micros enough that the ones that went trough the changes and the ones that did not cannot mate anymore.
For instance all dogs are the same species cause they can all mate and produce fertile offspring, if 2 breeds cannot mate there is still the possebility of them mating whit other breeds and those breds mating and producing fertile offspring. So all their changes are described as micro evolution.
The mice that where left on that island 250 years ago all came from the same breed though enough micro evoulution happend that they cannot mate whit their naighburing mice who also came from the same parrents, and they cannot mate whit the original mice mice breed, and neither can you mate them whit other mice brreds and then mate them whit the original or their naighbur so enough micros happend to call it macro evolution.

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jar
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Message 124 of 238 (590867)
11-10-2010 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by ICANT
11-10-2010 12:11 AM


Re: 'Macro-Evolution'
ICANT writes:
Since all those modifications could be and was made by microevolution where is the 'Macro-Evolution'?
Macro-evolution is the sum of micro-evolution over time.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Taq
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Message 125 of 238 (590898)
11-10-2010 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by ICANT
11-10-2010 12:11 AM


Re: 'Macro-Evolution'
I could argue that the absence of transitional forms raises doubts as to the process.
For human evolution we do have the transitional forms. So you are agreeing that transitional fossils are evidence for macroevolution?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 126 of 238 (590972)
11-11-2010 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by ICANT
11-10-2010 12:11 AM


Re: 'Macro-Evolution'
I could also make the argument that the wide spans of time with no changes raised questions as to the process taking place.
And you could argue that long periods when I stay in one place raise questions as to whether I've ever moved. But that would be stupid.
I could argue that the absence of transitional forms raises doubts as to the process.
But first you'd be well advised to go around smashing all the intermediate forms with a hammer, shooting everyone who's seen them, and burning the relevant scientific literature.
I could raise the question of the three toes to one as presented concerning the process, raising questions as the South American story is from one toe to three toes.
It is not clear what you're trying to be wrong about or why.
If you will enlarge my avatar you will see a animal the size of the Hyracotherium. Since the only pictures we have of the Hyracotherium is an artist rendition of what somebody thought the Hyracotherium looked like they could be the same animal except for the feet and teeth.
Since all those modifications could be and was made by microevolution where is the 'Macro-Evolution'?
Now say the same about humans and apes, which are even more similar.
Since all those modifications could be and was made by microevolution where is the 'Macro-Evolution'?
Since everybody here screams they are different critters when they can't breed I would like to put forth my avatar animals as evidence that is a false assertion and assumption.
Er ... but they are different.

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hooah212002
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Message 127 of 238 (590998)
11-11-2010 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by ICANT
11-10-2010 12:11 AM


Re: 'Macro-Evolution'
If you will enlarge my avatar you will see a animal the size of the Hyracotherium.
Buz, do you realize you are posting as ICANT and your avatar (as ICANT) is that of a globe, appearing to be a representation of pangea, and not a horse?
I had a feeling you two were one in the same person........
{ABE}
Apologies, ICANT. I am a moron.
Edited by hooah212002, : reset my cache. PEBCAK error

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Larni
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Message 128 of 238 (591002)
11-11-2010 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by hooah212002
11-11-2010 9:29 AM


Re: 'Macro-Evolution'
I think you have things mixed up, there.
ICANT was replying to you, not Buzz.

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hooah212002
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Message 129 of 238 (591003)
11-11-2010 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Larni
11-11-2010 10:22 AM


Re: 'Macro-Evolution'
Look at the quoted text I highlighted from ICANT. ICANT does not have an animal avatar. However, Buz does and has made a similar argument in past threads regarding his horse avatar. I was being smarmy in that both posters display similar grammatical errors and have a similar train of thought.

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Panda
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Message 130 of 238 (591005)
11-11-2010 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by hooah212002
11-11-2010 9:29 AM


Re: 'Macro-Evolution'
hooah212002 writes:
Buz, do you realize you are posting as ICANT and your avatar (as ICANT) is that of a globe, appearing to be a representation of pangea, and not a horse?
Is there some irony I am missing? {abe: slow posting a reply. This bit has been asnswered.)
Your reply is to a message by ICANT and ICANT's avatar looks like a giant horse (and it has done for several days).
Does your interweb caching need resetting?
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

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hooah212002
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Message 131 of 238 (591007)
11-11-2010 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Panda
11-11-2010 10:27 AM


Re: 'Macro-Evolution'
Dammit. Dammit to hell. Now I look retarded. This is the only site I visit that has avatar problems and I thought it only effected the individual user when they changed it. Thanks for the clarification.

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Panda
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Message 132 of 238 (591009)
11-11-2010 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by hooah212002
11-11-2010 10:29 AM


Re: 'Macro-Evolution'
hooah212002 writes:
Now I look retarded.
No....just paranoid.
But don't worry about it - we will be keeping a close eye on you to ensure you are under control.

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Larni
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Message 133 of 238 (591010)
11-11-2010 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by hooah212002
11-11-2010 10:29 AM


Re: 'Macro-Evolution'
Now I look retarded.
No, just special

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olivortex
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Message 134 of 238 (591014)
11-11-2010 10:45 AM


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I'm amazed.

nwr
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Message 135 of 238 (591028)
11-11-2010 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by hooah212002
11-11-2010 10:29 AM


Re: 'Macro-Evolution'
hooah212002 writes:
This is the only site I visit that has avatar problems ...
I have not had problems recently, perhaps because I reduced the max cache size for firefox.
What I found useful, in the past, was:
  • Click on the avatar (I use a middle-click to open in a new tab);
  • on the page now showing the full sized avatar, do a forced reload (shift-reload).
After doing that, I can be sure that I then have the current avatar.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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