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jar
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Message 16 of 259 (594307)
12-02-2010 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by dwise1
12-02-2010 11:49 PM


Location, Location, Location
It's gonna be in Tennessee Kentucky.

Not sure if it was my reading comprehension problem of jess seniorsyndrome.

Edited by jar, : fix state, but stll funny.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 17 of 259 (594308)
12-03-2010 12:00 AM
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12-02-2010 11:54 PM


Re: Fantasy and Make Believe are fun
Personally, I'm eager to see them build this thing. But I only wish they would try making it float. What an amusing disaster that would be.

Not only float, but filled with all the species and enough food to last the total time listed in Genesis and 8 people (4 men and 4 women) taking care of it the same way they would have had to, with no conveniences of any kind.


That's the last thing they'll do.

Everyone knows this whole ark story is a myth. As Tolkein wrote, "The tale grew in the telling."

But some folks still pretend to believe the whole silly story could have actually happened. Neither evidence nor reason will sway that belief, as neither was used in forming that belief. It is all just a big joke.

(I want the mead concession at the Thor theme park! At least people will get something for their money.)


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Message 18 of 259 (594314)
12-03-2010 12:09 AM
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12-02-2010 11:54 PM


Re: Location, Location, Location
Regardless. If they don't try to float it, then they're cheating.
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Message 19 of 259 (594323)
12-03-2010 12:31 AM
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12-02-2010 11:54 PM


Re: Fantasy and Make Believe are fun
bluescat48 writes:

Not only float, but filled with all the species and enough food to last the total time listed in Genesis and 8 people (4 men and 4 women) taking care of it the same way they would have had to, with no conveniences of any kind.

I think perhaps "float" is enough of a challenge, don't you? Frako, above, will be quite surprised if thing even stays together on the dry ground without cheating and using modern technology.

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Message 20 of 259 (594325)
12-03-2010 12:35 AM
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12-02-2010 8:30 PM


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I would have put it in the humor column personally, except that it's so profoundly sad that money's being wasted on this pile of excrement while at the same time spreading ignorance.

Think of it as a diabolical experiment to show that there are many gullible fools ready to be ripped off, and there religious leaders standing by, ready to rip them off.


Jesus was a liberal hippie
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Message 21 of 259 (594332)
12-03-2010 1:23 AM
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12-02-2010 11:54 PM


Re: Fantasy and Make Believe are fun
Not only float, but filled with all the species and enough food to last the total time listed in Genesis and 8 people (4 men and 4 women) taking care of it the same way they would have had to, with no conveniences of any kind.

I'd make do with them trying to make it float.

The last guy who tried this had to build it out of steel and concrete.


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Message 22 of 259 (594333)
12-03-2010 1:26 AM
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12-03-2010 12:00 AM


Re: Fantasy and Make Believe are fun
That's the last thing they'll do.

Obviously, besides where are they going to find a 600 year old man to pilot it?


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 23 of 259 (594335)
12-03-2010 1:29 AM
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12-03-2010 12:31 AM


Re: Fantasy and Make Believe are fun
I think perhaps "float" is enough of a challenge, don't you? Frako, above, will be quite surprised if thing even stays together on the dry ground without cheating and using modern technology.

Point well taken.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 24 of 259 (594348)
12-03-2010 4:50 AM
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12-03-2010 1:29 AM


Re: Fantasy and Make Believe are fun
Well the largest wooden ship ever to be made as fare as i can find was the Rochambeau 115.0 m X 22.2 m. The ship was scraped preatty soon, It had seaworthines probblems (probably leaking a whole lot) and she was not particulary stable Duh Wood bends.

And to build it they used a lot of steel, something the noas arc cannot have, and this ship only made one vojage.

Im actualy suprised they could make a ship this big with wood, steel or no steel, tough this ship shows that a larger wooden ship like the ark 137m X 23m is impossible to build withouth steel and is imposible to make seaworthy. At the verry least the wood warping would cause it to leak drasticly and it would sink.

And all the "smaller" ships that tried to be the biggesd wooden ship had the same problems and usualy sank, and all leaked.

Like the Baron of Renfrew for example i think this one was almost all wooden a disposable ship used to cut the cost of tax on wood imported to europe from america (the hull couuld not be taxed) whit a full load of 9000 T (cargo and the ship) it broke apart trying to reach europe its size 92.7 meters X 18.6 meters. Parts of it where found on the French coast though none of the crew survived.

So i guess they may be able to build it tough it would NEVER be seaworthy.

In the first poste i imagined that the arc had to be loads bigger so it could hold enough food and animals tough god was probably supplying the grain and used some magic to make it bigger on the inside so it could hold all the critters. And he suplied a magic acuarium too so all the fresh wather and sea watter fish could survive the dilution or salination of the watter they where used to. And ofcourse a terrarium for every plant form known to man even weeds they would die under watter.


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Message 25 of 259 (594363)
12-03-2010 8:25 AM
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12-02-2010 7:06 PM


We should applaud this
I'm pleased. A little disappointed they're apparently not planning to float the thing, or run animal welfare experiments in it. But, really, this is the kind of thing one should expect from Creation Scientists if they're going to take their subject seriously.

The reconstruction of historic artefacts using contemporary materials and methods has a long, and illustrious, history in archaeology.


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Message 26 of 259 (594374)
12-03-2010 9:09 AM
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12-03-2010 12:35 AM


What are they going to do for an encore, drop two objects of differing weight off the Leaning Tower of Pisa? Try to find out what happens when you strike steel and flint together?


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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Message 27 of 259 (594376)
12-03-2010 9:18 AM
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12-03-2010 9:09 AM


What are they going to do for an encore, drop two objects of differing weight off the Leaning Tower of Pisa? Try to find out what happens when you strike steel and flint together?

No, that would be doing science.

The goal of the ark project is to reinforce belief, not to do science. And maybe they think they will make a little money off the gullible.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Message 28 of 259 (594377)
12-03-2010 9:20 AM
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12-03-2010 9:18 AM


I was responding to nwr's suggestion this was the purpose of the Ark-like building:
Think of it as a diabolical experiment to show that there are many gullible fools ready to be ripped off, and there religious leaders standing by, ready to rip them off.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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jar
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Message 29 of 259 (594380)
12-03-2010 9:35 AM
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12-03-2010 9:18 AM


Coyote writes:

And maybe they think they will make a little money off the gullible.

Little?

The last year I have figures for was 2008 but in 2008 AIG showed over $5,000,000.00 revenue from the silly Creation Museum admissions alone.

I bet Walt Disney never even dreamed it would be possible to get folk to donate the money to build an amusement park and then have them pay an additional five million bucks a year to attend while he still claimed 501(c)(3) tax exempt status.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 30 of 259 (594388)
12-03-2010 10:24 AM
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12-03-2010 12:31 AM


Lost technology
will be quite surprised if thing even stays together on the dry ground without cheating and using modern technology.

Creos will just claim that Noah used a technology that was lost in the flood. We have seen that argument on this forum already.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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