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Author Topic:   Potential falsifications of the theory of evolution
Coyote
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Message 442 of 968 (600307)
01-13-2011 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 436 by shadow71
01-13-2011 7:21 PM


Once again
I don't see in the paper the author's acceptance of a natural origin of life.
As a matter of fact I don't see any fromidable hypothesis as to the origin of life.
That's because those are not a part of the theory of evolution.
Different field entirely.

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Message 444 of 968 (600311)
01-13-2011 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 443 by shadow71
01-13-2011 8:52 PM


Discrediting Darwin
Also there are many new papers that are also sounding the end of the Darwin, Neo-Darwinian theories as they are elucidated today.
If this is the case, it will be because the new evidence provides a better understanding of evolution.
That's the way science progresses.
Nothing in this process should be of any comfort to creationists because none of this new evidence is supporting their beliefs. Too many of them have focused on Darwin; for 150 years they have thought that if they could only discredit Darwin everything he wrote would just disappear.
Those folks have 150 years of catching up to do.

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Message 508 of 968 (600648)
01-15-2011 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 506 by Dawn Bertot
01-15-2011 11:20 PM


Re: Bump for ICANT
Dawn Bertot writes:
We have all types shapes and sizes of primates right, what would happen if we laid these examples (skulls)beside the head of any shape and size of existing primates we have today
Strip away the flesh and skin of each and wouldnt there be some primates that have exacally or nearly the same shape and size. there are tons and types of primates, small medium and large, correct?
How about we try that. Im just trying to figure out what they might have been and when they would have been
Most osteology labs have skulls of the various primates, as well as the prehistoric specimens.
When I was learning osteology we routinely examined existing and extinct primates, including a lot of specimens of fossil man.
Why do you assume that scientists have never thought of this type of comparison?
It is the kind of study that is started in beginning osteology courses (in Anthropology, not necessarily the medical fields). Folks who specialize in fossil man become real experts in these various primates and their ancestors.

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Message 511 of 968 (600652)
01-15-2011 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 509 by Dawn Bertot
01-15-2011 11:47 PM


Osteology at Dawn
Is there a place where I could see side beside, these comparisons
I mean we have everything from spider monkeys to gorilla pusses and everything in between
perhaps we are just looking at a type of primate, not necessarily in some chain headed twords man
Of course enough evidence would support that, but i believe evidence of that nature is lacking and keeps people doubtful of its conclusions
Anyway it would be interesting to see these comparisons. so hook me up nature boy
There are a number of websites that you can access that sell replicas of most skulls and the important paleontological finds.
Try this one for a start:
Bone Clones, Inc. - Osteological Reproductions
They have an extensive collection of skulls and other bones. But you can't just look at the pictures. To learn about these specimens you have to do some detailed study, and really you would need to study under an expert. Two years of concentrated effort should be good for a start. (I did six years in grad school, half time, studying osteology and evolution and closely related fields.)
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Message 569 of 968 (601678)
01-22-2011 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 568 by barbara
01-22-2011 11:36 PM


Re: increased mutation rate is not directed mutation
Sometimes the best response is to say,"We just do not know enough yet to make any solid determination regarding mutations"
Based on your post, I would change that to: "Creationists just do not know enough yet to make any solid determination regarding mutations."

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Message 577 of 968 (601739)
01-23-2011 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 576 by shadow71
01-23-2011 8:05 PM


Fine tuning
When he says our current knowledge of genetic is fundamentally at variance with neo-Darwinist postulates alerts me that he may not be in agreement with the current theory of evolution. And if he is correct, that may in some way falsify in some ways the current theory of evolution.
I really think that as a biologist you must be amenable to the fact that the theory as currently accepted may need fine tuning or even major adjustments.
And perhaps you as a creationist should realize that this "fine tuning or even major adjustments" will most likely only make the theory of evolution stronger.
It will not be evidence of creationism; it will be the opposite.
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Message 584 of 968 (601750)
01-23-2011 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 579 by shadow71
01-23-2011 8:45 PM


Re: Fine tuning
Then you may have to face the fact that , Yes, there was a creation event.
I can live by Anthony Flew's statement "We must follow the argument wherever it leads."
The evidence so far has been toward an increasingly accurate theory of evolution and away from reliance on ancient tribal superstitions.
Can you live with that?

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Message 592 of 968 (601905)
01-24-2011 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 591 by barbara
01-24-2011 10:05 PM


Re: Differences in DNA sequences
Taq noted that "Epigenetics can not explain the morphological and physiological differences between species."
Somehow you twisted that to "if epigenetics is not a factor, what specific mutations in the germ cells would modify the offspring to create a new generation of slightly different appearance from their parents?"
Are you aware of the vast difference between his statement and your interpretation of it?

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