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Author Topic:   Animals with bad design.
barbara
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Message 9 of 204 (600632)
01-15-2011 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Dr Adequate
01-15-2011 12:37 PM


Predator/Prey mechanism
What do mean there is nothing in the concept of life that says living entities have to eat other living entities?
This is an absolute fact of life on this planet that all living organisms must consume other living organisms to survive. Animal designs that are viewed as imperfect and the constant remarks that a "God" should have made them perfect so obviously no God created them is stupid.
Another way to look at this is why waste your time on designing animals perfectly when they are just going to be eaten anyway? The comments that animal designs are just made good enough to survive long enough to reproduce and die from predation seems to be the goal intended.
Oh, I forgot there is no reason or goal in the predator/prey mechanism which supports the entire food web and there was no effort put into the sexual reproduction methods that are specific to different species.
Recycling of converting energy from predation is the only mechanism on this planet that feeds the living. Perfection does not occur in life forms because the food web of recycling energy would not be successful.
So no matter how you insist that life does not have any direction because life is so powerful that it is difficult to wipe out so it does not require any guidance is wrong.
All of the traits that are unique to each specific body plan organism that work in the predator/prey mechanism does seem to involve organization with rules. We do not observe any body plan organism that has all those special unique traits in one specific species.
We are all related in one way or another, aren't we?

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Message 45 of 204 (602027)
01-25-2011 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Aaron
01-24-2011 7:27 PM


Re: Re-think needed?
99.9% failure rate for species extinction does not leave much room for descent with modification that is currently believed right now.
What is interesting is the 99.9% extinct is based on the fossil evidence. Fossils are rare so this percentage is false. Nobody has any idea of how much biodiversity there actually was in history. Nobody knows if the fossils represent true extinction or that they changed in appearance in descent with modification.
No one can tell us if any of the species that are alive today are the actual direct descent with modification to those specific fossils or a result from a split from another species.

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Message 49 of 204 (602596)
01-29-2011 6:49 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Aaron
01-29-2011 3:59 AM


Re: Re-think needed?
it is amazing how all of you completely misunderstood what I said.
First of all I am not the one who stated that 99.9% of species are extinct, science did. I am not the one who also stated that species change by descent with modification, science did.
What I am saying is that these two statements contradict each other when science is defining how life changed from the past and at the same time stating that 99.9% are extinct which means nothing can descend from them.
I also did not mean that all species do not feel pain when faced with predation however it is merciful compared to what humans do in killing animals. The fact is the predator/prey mechanism is how life is recycled for future generations to take their place.

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barbara
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Message 50 of 204 (602597)
01-29-2011 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Aaron
01-29-2011 3:59 AM


Re: Re-think needed?
it is amazing how all of you completely misunderstood what I said.
First of all I am not the one who stated that 99.9% of species are extinct, science did. I am not the one who also stated that species change by descent with modification, science did.
What I am saying is that these two statements contradict each other when science is defining how life changed from the past and at the same time stating that 99.9% are extinct which means nothing can descend from them.
I also did not mean that all species do not feel pain when faced with predation however it is merciful compared to what humans do in killing animals. The fact is the predator/prey mechanism is how life is recycled for future generations to take their place.

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barbara
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Message 58 of 204 (602660)
01-30-2011 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Aaron
01-30-2011 12:26 AM


Re: Re-think needed?
Fine then why don't you list at least 10 examples of species that are actually extinct and 10 examples of species that are descent with modification and how exactly that you determine this to be a fact.
It is so easy for you to state animals with bad design while humans think that their designs in inventions are perfect. Changes in morphology cannot interfere with the normal cycles of reproduction and their ability to survive predation otherwise this would never have worked.
This is like comparing it to replacing the hard parts of your computer while it is still connected to its power source and is on the entire time you are replacing them. Updating software requires the system to be rebooted before it can be activated to function and this means a moment with no power. Living organisms cannot be disconnected from their main power source otherwise they would die.
Changing a organisms morphology in its structure while keeping the organism alive is a big difference compared to human inventions where you can turn off the power source to add new parts or features that improves it.

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