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frako Member (Idle past 327 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Really? And you know this for *most* cultures of 20,000 years ago how, exactly? Is that why the Parsis of India let vultures eat their dead? Individually? Or why an African tribe gives the body of a dead person to the lions.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
because humans tend to gather the dead bodies of their parents or children not too far from one another. The search engine does often bring up cemeteries dated at about 4,000 or 5,000, but not at 30 or 40,000 - You actually might want to try some basic research before you spout nonsense
quote: Source This is just native americans. This took me less than 1 minute to find. I am sure if I spent 10 mins I could find dozens of other death rituals that do not meet you claim. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1174 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
Taq writes: all we have ..unevidenced assertion that 30,000 year old humans are not our ancestors. -
Proof of ancestry grounded in reality was not presented, for example, 2 skeletons; father and son or mother and her child. - And this is what differentiates the proof that you do not have from a Real proof: A Real proof will be the same as the above found twice. - Contrary to expectations, history has demonstrated that there's no reason why it would have been impossible for Humans to have reached a population of 1 million persons in less than 20 thousand years, when the population was 10,000 that is, there's no reason except the reputation of many Universities and the financial comfort of many jobs, sponsorships and books containing what is believed by many men in regards to the origin of the Human body. -
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Proof of ancestry grounded in reality was not presented, for example, 2 skeletons; father and son or mother and her child.
I guess you missed one of my prior posts. Here it is again:
quote: 30,000 year old modern human skeletons found in Europe are the ancestors of modern Europeans as the DNA evidence demonstrates.
Contrary to expectations, history has demonstrated that there's no reason why it would have been impossible for Humans to have reached a population of 1 million persons in less than 20 thousand years, when the population was 10,000 But you are saying that this boom HAD TO HAPPEN 30,000 years ago, and since it didn't those human-like skeletons had to be from something other than modern humans.
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1174 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
Taq writes:
Proof of ancestry grounded in reality was not presented, for example, 2 skeletons; father and son or mother and her child.
CONCLUSIONS/SIGNIFICANCE: .... a genealogical continuity ....
- Anyone's genetic combination might be a genealogical continuity of whoever it will be; and that is very different from a paternity test. A simple paternity test is all that the natural selection theory (for the origin of the Human body) needs to prove that it's correct. Other than that, it will be just another brick in the wall of believed things that becomes an obstacle for many 'many men' not see the open road - - Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Anyone's genetic combination might be a genealogical continuity of whoever it will be; and that is very different from a paternity test. False. Mitochondrial DNA extracted from Neanderthals from the same region and the same time period demonstrated that their mitochondrial lineages do not have a living representative in Europe. DNA sequencing is a paternity test, and it demonstrates that the population of modern humans 30,000 years ago are the ancestors of modern Europeans. ABE: Mitochondrial DNA actually serves more as a maternity test, but that is beside the point. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1174 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
Taq writes: Anyone's genetic combination might be a genealogical continuity of whoever it will be; and that is very different from a paternity test. .. DNA sequencing is a paternity test, and it demonstrates that the population of modern humans 30,000 years ago are the ancestors of modern Europeans
- Let's not turn it into a Mexican drama nor search for a horn on a horse's head
quote: - Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Either the popular meaning of the term 'paternity test' was distorted by the above reply
You are aware that they use DNA for paternity tests, aren't you? The DNA from anatomically modern humans (Cro-Magnon) 30,000 years ago demonstrates that they are the ancestors of modern Europeans in the same way that a DNA paternity test indicates paternity. What more do you want?
or it's actually saying 'Anyone of us might be a son or daughter of those Neanderthals' which is absurd. If you had paid attention you would have understood that the same tests showed that no living modern human carries neanderthal mitochondria. This shows a DISCONTINUITY between neanderthals and modern humans. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1174 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
Taq writes:
This shows a DISCONTINUITY between neanderthals and modern humans.
- Indeed, Cro-Magnon is not a descendent of Neandertal. After seeing a discontinuity of the dna sequence then the title given by science, 'Neandertal our ancestor' has been gradually changed to 'Neandertal our closest extinct relatives', because of the belief that a different genealogical continuity would still be evidence of evolutionregardless of the fact that no evidence was found that a skeleton of human prototype dated at 30,000 would have had a son or daughter; If the human body was not made by intelligent designer then there is no justice other than that of the world, However, inside a Court house, even justice of this world does not apply belief to the most current and trivial things; Instead, the justice only says that a person had descendants when evidence is found that there was a son or a daughter. Let's get rid of the BELIEVING! - Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
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Otto Tellick Member (Idle past 2352 days) Posts: 288 From: PA, USA Joined: |
CrazyDiamond7 writes: If the human body was not made by intelligent designer then there is no justice other than that of the world, I don't see the relevance of "justice" to this topic, but it's your topic, and you brought it up... Well, I think I would agree with you here: "there is no justice other than that of the world." Do you have a problem with that? (I guess that would have to be another topic.)
However, inside a Court house, even justice of this world does not apply belief to the most current and trivial things; Instead, the justice only says that a person had descendants when evidence is found that there was a son or a daughter. "I am not a lawyer," and I'm not a biologist either, but it seems entirely sensible to expect that DNA testing would work to establish whether or not two individuals were related as grandfather and grandson, or even great-grandfather and great-grandson, without having access to DNA samples from the intermediate generation(s). It's in the nature of the evidence that these relationships can be established with the same certainty as the father-son case. I haven't tried to spend the few minutes of web research that would be needed to check into that question -- perhaps one of the others here knows the answer already from personal experience with the research involved. (Presumably there are differing constraints on tracking paternal versus maternal descendant relations, but at the level of population studies, these things do not impede the clarity of the evidence.)
Let's get rid of the BELIEVING! That would be an admirable goal indeed. In order to achieve it, you also have to get rid of the dogmatic denial of evidence, and abandon the silly notion that some "revelatory" text written thousands of years ago is "inerrant". autotelic adj. (of an entity or event) having within itself the purpose of its existence or happening.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4211 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Let's get rid of the BELIEVING! That is what I do.I separate everything into 3 categories. Acceptance, Rejection or skepticism. Acceptance = strong evidenceRejection = lack of evidence Skepticism = weak evidence There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 756 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
It's in the nature of the evidence that these relationships can be established with the same certainty as the father-son case. As in the observation that a huge number - 8% of the male population of Asia - of folks that share y-chromosome markers apparently inherited from Genghis Khan. Not as much a matter of believing, CD7, as a matter of going where the evidence takes you. You don't get a shared string of unusual DNA from nowhere.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
regardless of the fact that no evidence was found that a skeleton of human prototype dated at 30,000 would have had a son or daughter But it is very strong evidence of a genetic continuity between the Cro-Magnon population and the modern population. What evidence do you have that there is no genetic continuity?
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1174 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
bluescat48 writes: Let's get rid of the BELIEVING! That is what I do.I separate everything into 3 categories. Acceptance, Rejection or skepticism. Acceptance = strong evidenceRejection = lack of evidence Skepticism = weak evidence - It takes more than a possibility left to actually verify what really took place 30,000 years ago, Acceptance — strong evidence - when you have the proof that 30,000 years ago there was Human life IN REPRODUCTION naturally and spontaneously [for example, the skeletons of two real relatives; father and son or a mother and her child] then that is the evidence of evolution. - Rejection — lack of evidence - when the above proof is not found then the alleged 'genealogical continuity', in regards to a skeleton dated at 30,000, is still a presumed POSSIBILITY of descendents or ancestry. -
Weak evidence — therefore the so called evidence is weak in regards to proof of descendants and only proves that there was human prototype(s); an older version of a perfect human product on the Earth. - Conclusion: The above proof is necessary so that the possibility can be called total SURENESS. If one states that a possibility is assurance then he's believing;That is the clear purpose of every camouflage - to make believe Without believing or making believe there's no possibility at all of a robber [or one that deceives] to do his job; his carrier would be in permanent vacation. - Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : updated Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Acceptance — strong evidence - when you have the proof that 30,000 years ago there was Human life IN REPRODUCTION naturally and spontaneously [for example, the skeletons of two real relatives; father and son or a mother and her child] then that is the evidence of evolution. So you are assuming that Cro-Magnon populations were infertile until shown otherwise? Are you nuts?
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