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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Yes, but people still get paid for making them, and then spend the money, so it's not completely a pit. It is arguably more pit-like than other forms of spending. Right. All of the money spent on such things goes into the American economy and circulates around and around. What doesn't do so is the money sent to Saudi Arabia et al. for oil. What little we see of that coming back is in the form of mosques teaching a radical fundamentalist version of Islam. That we could do without. How about we build a bunch of nuclear plants instead? With sufficient energy we can do almost anything. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Does anyone still buy that stupid Mid-East oil argument? Jeesh... Refute it if you can. Show us how money sent to Arab princes for oil benefits our economy more than money spent here at home on high technology and cheap energy.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
The Irish are our friends. They send us Celtic Woman.
The Saudis are not our friends. They send us mosques preaching sharia, and wanting to implement it here. I'll take the former any day, thank you. (I saw them last fall and they were great!)
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
crashfrog writes:
Are you at all aware of human nature? Sorry, I don't think that Communism is either a practical or an ethical economic system. Really? Every American family is engaged in it. I think something that works for every single American family is probably fairly practical. As far as ethics go - I don't know, something strikes me as unethical about demanding that children not receive the benefits of their parent's income and expenditures unless they're making just as much money as their parents. Is there a lot of demand for the labor and skills of one-month old infants? Are you aware that those who are productive will not carry those who are leeches forever? Especially when the leeches demand more and more and produce less and less. That is communism for you. And that is why it has failed everywhere it has been tried. Just look at the shining examples of communistic societies: start with North Korea, for example. Sorry, but you are thinking like a college sophomore who has been exposed to too many economics courses. (That's not a compliment.)
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Just how much of the income of those who are productive do you think you and those who think like you can steal?
50%? 75%? 100%? And have you given any thought to what will happen when those of us who are productive decide we don't want to support you and all the other leaches? Does the term, "Who is John Galt" mean anything to you?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
The truth is, Coyote, I wish people like you would "withhold your productivity." Every day a libertarian goes to work, the world is worse off as a result. With every post like this your credibility just sinks lower and lower.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
1.61803 writes:
Sorry, that happens not to be the case. Someone has fed you bad information. As far as" a coal plant releasing more radiation" is concerned, heh, tell the to the residents at Chernobyl. Oh my bad, they're all dead from radiation poisoning. Deaths due to the Chernobyl disaster The bottom line: 70 people were killed or severely injured. Another Wiki report: In the aftermath of the accident, 237 people suffered from acute radiation sickness, of whom 31 died within the first three months.[76][77] Most of these were fire and rescue workers trying to bring the accident under control, who were not fully aware of how dangerous exposure to the radiation in the smoke was. Whereas, the World Health Organization's report 2006 Report of the Chernobyl Forum Expert Group from the 237 emergency workers who were diagnosed with ARS, ARS was identified as the cause of death for 28 of these people within the first few months after the disaster. There were no further deaths identified in the general population affected by the disaster as being caused by ARS. Of the 72,000 Russian Emergency Workers being studied, 216 non cancer deaths are attributed to the disaster, between 1991 and 1998. The latency period for solid cancers caused by excess radiation exposure is 10 or more years, thus at the time of the WHO report being undertaken the rates of solid cancer deaths were no greater than the general population.Some 135,000 people were evacuated from the area, including 50,000 from Pripyat. You seem to have fallen for some of the lies greenies and other lefties used to scare people into thinking nuclear power is vastly more dangerous then it actually is.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Rahvin writes:
Good for you! You seem to have fallen for some of the lies greenies and other lefties used to scare people into thinking nuclear power is vastly more dangerous then it actually is. For the record, Coyote, I'm a pretty hardcore liberal, and I'm also a huge supporter of nuclear power as the cheapest, cleanest, safest and most plentiful method of power generation currently available. That's refreshing to hear.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Storing waste for thousands of years isn't that much of a problem.
Long before that we'll be digging all that stuff up and reusing it with some still-undiscovered technique. It will be valuable someday! We need to store it where we can get at it easily.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Own any US Savings Bonds? Lots of folks around the US do.
How would you like to see those default?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Well, no, it's not. It's only going to be slightly larger than expected - rich or poor, there's only so many hours in the day and only so much one man can do. The productivity of the rich is going to reflect their lower downtime due to poor health, their greater labor effectiveness due to fitness, their greater education, and so on. But that's about it. Rich or poor there's only 24 hours in a day to do things. Of course, the greater portion of a rich person's life devoted to leisure indicates that their productivity is actually quite a bit lower than we would expect. You are leaving out a lot, probably deliberately. Your claim is true when men have to rely on their brute muscle power to accomplish things. In a large corporation those at the top are not relying on muscle power to accomplish things. Knowledge and skill count, as do contacts outside the corporation. The productivity of the "rich" is more likely going to relate to their ability to do things for the corporation that the janitor and floor-worker just can't do. And they are paid in relation to that ability. Your attempts to equate the two levels are simply not reflecting reality.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
And we have individuals getting paid $100,000,000+ a year. Is it possible to EARN such a thing? I say, NO WAY IN HELL! And to do such is an undesirable distortion of (ideal) capitalist theory. I'll agree with that!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Curiously, millionaires seem to pay less percentage overall than many in the middle class. So they are stealing from the government as well as from the workers. And the poor pay no income tax while enjoying a lot of benefits that the middle class is not allowed. Talk about stealing! The way to get a lot more of something is for the government to subsidize it.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
So you are relying upon these people who already tend to give massively to charity to become much more altruistic based on being able to retire from being so filthy rich they didn't need to work anyway. I got into archaeology so I could be filthy rich. I'm half way there...
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
That brings up the second part of the joke:
Think dirty: shower with an archaeologist.
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