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Prozacman
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Message 47 of 78 (60471)
10-10-2003 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by NosyNed
10-10-2003 5:44 PM


What is your opinion of Panentheism?

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Prozacman
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Message 54 of 78 (60734)
10-13-2003 2:46 PM
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10-12-2003 2:16 AM


NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO! The greeks have nothing to do with Panentheism. Also Panentheism is not the same as Pantheism, if you'd like to know. Whereas Pan-theism teaches that God IS everything and everything IS God, Pan-en-thiesm is quite different. The meanings of the word parts are: Pan=everything, en=in, and theos=God; everything in God. IOW Panentheism means that God contains, or holds everything that exists within himself(itself, whatever). The whole of the universe is only a small part of this god. It means that this kind of god is very physical in the natural sense as well as spiritual. In theology-speak this kind of god is both immanent & transendant(right here and more than right here). Therefor evolution may be very characteristic of this god.

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Prozacman
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Message 55 of 78 (60738)
10-13-2003 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by NosyNed
10-12-2003 2:32 PM


Please refer to my reply #54 to Pringlesguy for a short and I hope accurate definition of Panentheism. There's only one god within this system, but he(it,whatever) is not the supernatural Judeo-Christian-Islamic god. This god doesn't reach down into the physical world and change the laws of nature in order to perform a "miracle" like YHWH or Jesus. The laws of nature are a part of this god, so evolution can happen and "miracles" must be within the bounds of physical law. Just type "Panentheism" into Yahoo and a bunch of references will pop-up. By the way, I do not subscribe to this theory. I'm just curious.
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Prozacman
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Message 56 of 78 (60739)
10-13-2003 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by John
10-12-2003 4:46 AM


I just looked at the site you provided and I can't say I accept the philosophy presented there. It certainly does look like some tie-die shirt, dope-smoking, thing from the 60's. I was only curious as to what Panentheism involved and whether or not it might or might not be compatable with theistic-evolution. Otherwise I am agnostic.
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Prozacman
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Message 57 of 78 (60749)
10-13-2003 4:03 PM
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10-12-2003 5:14 AM


I will read it again, for the 5th time, and attempt(HA!) to understand. Then maybe...Just maybe... I'll be able to explain it(Yeah, right). But I'm definitely not one to believe such esoteric googleslop!
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Prozacman
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Message 58 of 78 (60756)
10-13-2003 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by John
10-12-2003 10:54 AM


So boredom is the issue? Let's see, if I'm not mistaken the library page you referenced seems to be saying this:1. God got bored being alone. 2. God made the universe(multiverse?) to keep from getting bored and lonely. AAAWWWWWW! Poor Guy! Here, have a lollypop!

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Prozacman
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Message 60 of 78 (61062)
10-15-2003 6:44 PM
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10-15-2003 4:05 PM


Aaaahh! That's better; the Zantac's working! Anyway, this God got bored with himself(themselves?), created everything to amuse himself, and THEN, depending on one's religion, stuck everyone in a no-choice situation. "Either you believe in me(us, it, etc.) and do what I say or your toast!"
What in bejezus does this gobbledeegook have to do with theistic-evolution? Hmmm... Maybe we were stuck by this God into this no-choice situation: We must eat and reproduce in order to survive and pass our genes, which are mutating, on to our future descendants. We don't really have a choice about survival unless we want to starve to death in miserable pain; a lousy prospect, AND our offspring must fight tooth&nail with the possible mutated advantages they have in order to eat and carry on, unless they too wish to starve to death in miserable pain. Who was it who said, "Rejoice, rejoice, we have no choice??" AND, Who would want to believe in a god like that??
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Prozacman
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Message 62 of 78 (61066)
10-15-2003 7:05 PM
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10-15-2003 6:52 PM


Did you ever hear the phrase, "food of the gods"? Reminds me of how little-children not only investigate anthills; they eat some of the ants.

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