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Author Topic:   Love Wins - Rob Bell
Phat
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Message 18 of 30 (612839)
04-19-2011 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by GDR
03-14-2011 11:55 AM


Gods punishment is optional. Because of God.
Justin Taylor of the Gospel Coalition, a network of traditionalist scholars and pastors, says Bell's views are "dangerous and contrary to the word of God. ... If Bell doesn't believe in eternal punishment, then he doesn't think sin is an offense against a holy God."
We may well offend by tarnishing the perfect world that God demands...but it does not follow that we must be punished.

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Phat
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Message 27 of 30 (613284)
04-24-2011 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by GDR
04-19-2011 11:14 AM


Re: Gods punishment is optional. Because of God.
GDR writes:
Phat writes:
We may well offend by tarnishing the perfect world that God demands...but it does not follow that we must be punished.
It is my contention that I worship a loving and just God. If God were to be an entity that punished for eternity those that didn't get their theology right then stop the bus and let me off. Who wants to worship a God like that? Frankly that would make heaven sound more like hell as it has turned Jesus' teaching around and make it all about me. It's no wonder that so many people leave the Christian faith when it is twisted into something that would have more in common with the Pharisees, (it's all about sanctimoniously keeping the laws), than it has with the teachings of Jesus.
I don't have all the answers but I have no doubt that the loving just God that I worship will in the end treat everyone justly.
Thats the thing, though. Lets take this step by step logically.
GIVEN:
That the God we worship is not made in our image (imagination).
That God is only remotely knowable through what He gives us to perceive, and even this cannot be proven.
That God is not required to have a unique relationship(communion) with us, though we believe it to be possible.

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Phat
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Message 29 of 30 (613425)
04-25-2011 8:18 AM
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04-25-2011 2:22 AM


Re: Gods punishment is optional. Because of God.
GDR writes:
If, as I believe, the gospel stories are essentially accurate then we can know quite a bit about the character of God through Jesus Christ. I also contend that we can learn something of God through His creation. I also believe that over the years there have been people inspired with wisdom who have been able to record that wisdom so that we can receive it.
But this limits us to the traditional interpretation of the Bible. What if we were expected to use common sense instead?

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