Hi arach,
arachnophilia writes:
that should be your first clue something's very wrong.
Well there are people who are pushing that agenda and they believe they are correct.
arachnophilia writes:
yeah, no. it looks like it's giving stardard vowel pointings to any three letter root, and thus
making up words. i'm not aware of any usage of מים as a verb
I don't know if מים is used as a verb. I was just pointing out that there are people with some far out ideas.
You are basing much of your understanding of Biblical Hebrew by what you read that someone said in 1990.
On page 189 in "An Introduction To Biblical Hebrew Syntax" by Waltke it says:
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...and the complex preposition, made up of a preposition + a noun...
This statement does not appear in Gesenius Hebrew Grammar 2nd English Edition.
If you can find a textbook that agrees with Waltke please present it.
arachnophilia writes:
no, you have a crap source. you evidently can't tell the difference between a crap source and a good source, if you're using this nonsense over waltke, or BDB, or anything else, really.
This crap you are referring to will become fact in the future.
If you disagree go back and read the textbooks of the 1500's and see how much they have changed getting us to today.
arachnophilia writes:
you do understand that i actually laughed audibly when i saw that? i wouldn't dream of paying for that crap.
You don't have to pay for it if someone is discarding it and gives it to you .
arachnophilia writes:
which, for biblical hebrew at least, makes it wrong.
So if someone adds tenses to Biblical Hebrew they are wrong.
An introduction to Biblical Hebrew Syntax by Waltke on page 347 says:
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Biblical Hebrew has no tenses in the strict sense.
On page 580 it says:
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The Semitic languages generally distinguish two categories of non-finite verb forms, the infinitive, which designates the action or situation of the verb and the participle which refers to the actor or patient of the verb.
So they have added two types of verbs to cover things covered by the Hebrew perfect and imperfect verb. To be fair with Waltke he did not invent the infinitive and participle verbs in Biblical Hebrew. He was just repeating what he had learned that was supposed to be fact.
Perfect is completed action. Most refer to this as past but that is not always the case.
Imperfect is incomplete action. Action that is ongoing.
arachnophilia writes:
these sources happen to be correct. the distinction between "dual" and "singular" are moot, of course, as dual nouns are nouns that look plural but act singula
Dual and singular are two different things. Dual is used when talking about things that come in pairs, such as eyes, hands, feet, etc. So they don't just look plural they are more than one and less than three.
arachnophilia writes:
i have argued it already. in fact, as i mentioned above, "dual nouns are nouns that look plural but act singular." when you have a dual noun, and it's the subject of a clause, it's easy to tell if it's singular: the verb takes singular conjugations. for instance, in genesis 1:1, , is a singular verb, and a dual noun. the noun acts in the singular, as is translated "god" instead of "gods". there are of course other contextual hints. a person who reads hebrew has no issues with this stuff.
Are you saying you can't read Hebrew because you have an issue with this stuff?
BDB אלהים noun, masculine plural.
Is BDB all of a sudden wrong?
arachnophilia writes:
no. i'm getting tired of you asking for the same information over and over again because you've failed to understand it.
Somebody said, "if you can't explain something where someone else can understand it you do not know the subject yourself".
But it is not that I do not understand what is said. It is that you have not tried to present what it says.
arachnophilia writes:
there are two whole chapters in that book on infinitives. i have presented several examples from those chapters in this thread already. i cannot do more than hand you the textbook and copy examples from it. you're just going to have to try harder.
If there are only two types of verbs in the Hebrew language, what is there to look for?
If there is only perfect and imperfect verbs in Biblical Hebrew then there are no infinitives other than those that has been invented to make Biblical Hebrew read smooth in English.
There is the statement on page 189 by Waltke that a preposition + noun = complex preposition.
You take that statement to mean that any time a noun has a prefix attached to it the noun automatically becomes a preposition.
There is very little support for such a statement.
arachnophilia writes:
yes. i suggest you look it up. here's a hint: i've given you a textbook already.
Yes you did, one that was written in 1990. I don't think Brown, Driver or Briggs had an opportunity to read that book and form their opinions.
BTW on page 220 Waltke says:
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By complex prepositions we mean the combinations of various prepositions and nouns or adverbs to constitute new entities often with meanings not predictable from the parts.
On page 221 he also says:
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Some nouns show a frozen union with a preposition. These complex constructions function syntactically as prepositions, that is, THEY LINK AN AD-VERBAL NOUN TO THE VERB and specify the nature of its relationship to the governed noun.
arachnophilia writes:
I looked again and I still do not understand how I can remove ל from לפני and get פנה.
i don't understand it either. perhaps you should be more careful with spelling next time. and, um, find a better source.
I do understand how I can look for the root of לפני and find as the root פנה..
arachnophilia writes:
it means i don't actually need to say anything, because your argument is nonsense and contradictory.
Are you saying a preposition and a Prepositional phrase are the same thing?
arachnophilia writes:
infinitives are nouns.
First you have to create an infinitive out of the verb to turn it into a noun. You have no means of doing that.
arachnophilia writes:
context.
In other words say it says what you want it to say.
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