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Message 8 of 49 (613477)
04-25-2011 3:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 7 by sfs
04-25-2011 3:17 PM

The information conveyed to a physicist by the name "the God particle" is that the speaker is not a physicist... ...I never heard that name used within the field once.
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Quite, me neither. Horrific term. I don't know why there was even an attenpt to come up with another name. Higgs is better than most of our other particle names. Damn site easier to say than W+
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08-22-2011 2:54 PM 		Reply to: Message 12 by Bolder-dash
08-22-2011 1:01 PM

Re: Does it exist?
I wonder if guys like Cavediver, who I am sure has believed in these things all along
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I'm sorry, like what "things"?
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Message 24 of 49 (630130)
08-22-2011 3:58 PM 		Reply to: Message 22 by Larni
08-22-2011 3:05 PM

Re: Does it exist?
If there is no Higgs Boson found it mean they got the maths wrong and need to go back and check their figures.
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No, absolutely not. There is no "wrong" maths. As far as we can tell at our current level of understanding of the Universe, the Higgs Mechanism is a viable model of electroweak symmetry breaking, and the Higgs Boson is a natural prediction of the Higgs Mechanism.
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If the Higgs Boson does not exist, it simply means that the Universe does not work that way. Peter Higgs was not "wrong" to suggest the mechanism - it is an extremely valuable part of mathematical/theoretical physics. The only people who are "wrong" are the ignorant idiots that mock from the sidelines - idiots who will never appreciate the simple joy of understanding more about the Universe, without question of who is "right" and who is "wrong".
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08-22-2011 5:20 PM 		Reply to: Message 25 by Larni
08-22-2011 4:49 PM

Re: Does it exist?
Well I do beg your pardon, I'm sure.
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Consider it done.
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My understanding was that the Higgs Boson was predicted from a mathematical model.
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It is. And if one were to claim that this model is definitely the way that the Universe behaves, then one would be leaving oneself open to be being wrong. But no-one of whom I am aware is doing that. We are simply asking the question: "is this model the way the Universe behaves?" I have always found it difficult to be wrong when simply asking a question.
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While I am very happy to be corrected I do hope you aren't lumping me in with the ignorant idiots that mock from the sidelines.
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Well, if you have to ask...
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08-22-2011 5:28 PM 		Reply to: Message 27 by PaulK
08-22-2011 5:24 PM

Re: Does it exist?
Larni, there is a difference between the model being wrong and the mathematics being wrong. If the model uses incorrect assumptions it is very likely that it will produce the wrong results when the mathematics is done correctly.
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Exactly. And the test of those assumptions is... seeing if the predicted results are born out in experiments at the LHC.
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Message 32 of 49 (630147)
08-22-2011 6:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 29 by jar
08-22-2011 5:30 PM

Re: Does it exist?
Well, if the Higgs Boson is shown to not exist then suddenly everything will become mass-less.
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Yep, belief is more important than your realise
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And for some reason that reminds me of the four fundemental forces (according to Terry Pratchett) - charm, persuasion, uncertainty and bloody-mindedness
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12-13-2011 5:46 PM 		Reply to: Message 36 by GDR
12-13-2011 10:50 AM

Re: CERN Report
Promising. I must admit that I have given up on pretending to be pleased if we don't find it We need to find it just to feel good about ourselves, and to justify the next accelerator...
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12-13-2011 7:36 PM 		Reply to: Message 42 by kbertsche
12-13-2011 7:29 PM

Re: CERN Report
I (and most of my co-workers) found the report and plots a bit underwhelming.
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Ah - oh well
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I'm so busy at the moment that I didn't even read the report (so busy that I haven't yet replied to you in the other thread - will do, promise) but just thought I heard around 3 sigma in each channel (tho' I did wonder why in that case, they didn't give an effective combined...) The 2 sigma deficits are all the selectrinos and sphotinos.
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