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Message 16 of 146 (613515)
04-25-2011 8:07 PM
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03-30-2011 4:14 PM


Ray Comfort also likes to be referred to as "banana man".... He and Kirk Cameron are also searching for a crock-o-duck in a valiant effort to refute atheism...er.....I mean evilution.
It would be funny if it were not the fact that the creator of the crock-o-duck and follower of Ray is a close relative near and dear to me. It is still rather funny though.

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Message 17 of 146 (613516)
04-25-2011 8:09 PM
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You're related to Mikey Seaver?

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Message 18 of 146 (613558)
04-26-2011 6:07 AM
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04-25-2011 8:09 PM


No, Kirk Cameron did not create the crock-o-duck. It was created by a Christian graphics designer who works at 'Way of the Master' with Ray Comfort.

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Message 19 of 146 (613580)
04-26-2011 9:26 AM
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Ahh, so you meant the actual creator as opposed to the creative figurehead.

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Message 20 of 146 (614150)
05-02-2011 11:36 AM
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04-26-2011 9:26 AM


The guy hasn't learned anything from when he got trounced for making his "The Atheists' Nightmare" video.

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DevilsAdvocate writes:
No, Kirk Cameron did not create the crock-o-duck. It was created by a Christian graphics designer who works at 'Way of the Master' with Ray Comfort.
Did this graphics designer create Kirk Cameron as well?

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Message 22 of 146 (864589)
10-13-2019 10:42 AM
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03-30-2011 1:52 PM


Lets Discuss Modern Apologists Here
Original Topic:
The Atheist Experience #702 from March 27, 2011, with Matt Dillahunty and Russell Glasser. Interview with Ray Comfort. Matt and Russell have a conversation "across the divide" with professional apologist Ray Comfort.
Fast Forward.
I've recently revisited Ray Comfort in my quest to judge the sincerity and appeal of some of the modern apologists out there.
Ray endured humiliation for his bananaman persona, immortalized by dr.Richard Dawkins and other prominent atheists. He gained my respect by the way he marketed his humiliation and turned out more popular and controversial than ever.
Granted, Rays arguments would not hold up intellectually in any serious debate. Matt Dillahunty showed that in the opening discussion in this topic.
Ray recently exploited his growing coverage as a direct result of ridicule from the banana skit.
What I like about Ray is that he comes across as honest and genuine, using his personality to spread his message. Intellectual? Not so much. Persuasive? Perhaps a bit. He seems honest.
Social Media Skills? I give him a 9 out of 10. He knows how to market.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
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You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Message 23 of 146 (864595)
10-13-2019 10:56 AM
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Re: Lets Discuss Modern Apologists Here
Phat writes:
What I like about Ray is that he comes across as honest and genuine, using his personality to spread his message. Intellectual? Not so much. Persuasive? Perhaps a bit. He seems honest.
Social Media Skills? I give him a 9 out of 10. He knows how to market.
Just like EVERY Carny Barker. "This way to the Egress folk!"

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Message 24 of 146 (864598)
10-13-2019 10:59 AM
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Re: Lets Discuss Modern Apologists Here
Social Media Skills? I give him a 9 out of 10. He knows how to market.
So you admire a money-grubbing fast-talking charlatan?
I haven't researched the genre as you have but there have got to be more honest intellectual apologists in the field somewhere. You shouldn't have to reach that deep into the barrel to find the support you seek.

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Message 25 of 146 (864600)
10-13-2019 11:09 AM
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10-13-2019 10:59 AM


Re: Lets Discuss Modern Apologists Here
AZ writes:
I haven't researched the genre as you have but there have got to be more honest intellectual apologists in the field somewhere. You shouldn't have to reach that deep into the barrel to find the support you seek.
There are many who impress me more.
One I have been listening to recently is Greg Koukl.
https://www.youtube.com/user/STRvideos
His website is called Stand To Reason.
Mission Statement

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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Message 26 of 146 (864601)
10-13-2019 11:15 AM
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10-13-2019 10:56 AM


Re: Lets Discuss Modern Apologists Here
No compendre. Whats an Egress? This is what I got...
egress —res
noun
noun egress
the action of going out of or leaving a place.
a way out.
departure leaving exit withdrawal retreat pullout exodus issue emergence flowing out escape emanation debouchment vacation of a place
the right or freedom to come out or go out.
another term for emersion.
verb
verb egress 3rd person present egresses past tense egressed past participle egressed gerund or present participle egressing
go out of or leave (a place).
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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Message 27 of 146 (864602)
10-13-2019 11:46 AM
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Re: Lets Discuss Modern Apologists Here
No compendre. Whats an Egress? This is what I got...
Barnum (iirc) had a sign saying "this way to the egress" in one of his tents showing animals. It lead outside and the people that took it had to pay to get back in.
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Message 28 of 146 (864604)
10-13-2019 12:16 PM
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Re: Lets Discuss Modern Apologists Here
Famous story of the ultimate Barker, Ripley. As a young man he worked carnival Freak shows but the problem was the people stood around looking at the Freaks. So to move one group out and the next group in he used the fact that they were greedy and "No compendre. " He would call out "Now this way to the Egress" and the crowd not knowing what an egress was gladly walked out the exit so the next flock of rubes could pay and enter.
The Apologists are classic Carny Barkers.
Phat writes:
What I like about Ray is that he comes across as honest and genuine, using his personality to spread his message. Intellectual? Not so much. Persuasive? Perhaps a bit. He seems honest.
Social Media Skills? I give him a 9 out of 10. He knows how to market.
Just like EVERY Carny Barker. "This way to the Egress folk!"
To be successful the conman must come across as honest and genuine, using his personality to spread his message.

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Message 29 of 146 (864607)
10-13-2019 3:35 PM
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10-13-2019 12:16 PM


Re: Lets Discuss Modern Apologists Here
I totally understand your reference to conmen. You seem to always couple it with apologists. But why not Sam Harris? Why not Dr.Richard Dawkins? Why not any number of people who travel the lecture circuit primarily to plug their books?
And let's look at the men we are mentioning:
quote:
Phineas Taylor Barnum (/brn’m/; July 5, 1810 — April 7, 1891) was an American showman, politician, and businessman remembered for promoting celebrated hoaxes and for founding the Barnum & Bailey Circus (1871—2017).[1] He was also an author, publisher, and philanthropist, though he said of himself: "I am a showman by profession ... and all the gilding shall make nothing else of me".[2] According to his critics, his personal aim was "to put money in his own coffers."[2] He is widely credited with coining the adage "There's a sucker born every minute",[3] although no proof can be found of him saying this.
OK, fair enough. A showman. Had many mansions. Let's examine the correlation.
To be fair, some of the prominent TV Evangelists have huge mansions and private jets. They have no conscience against earning large amounts of money. Their Christian character could quite fairly be called up for examination. That much I agree with.
Kenneth Copeland
The same pattern applies to Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis and several other prominent Word Of Faith megachurch Pastors. The correlation to PT Barnum is unmistakable. But jar. All of them? C'mon...quit assuming that anyone in the business of 501C3 tax-exempt status that has a ministry or spiritual business is in it for the money. You critics are unforgiving! I still remember Theodoric being absolutely resolute in his portrayal of Ravi Zacharias for an incident which I fail to see as incriminating. The evidence seems to show that Zacharias is a legitimate minister, though having no college degrees as he once claimed honorary ones to add prestige to his title. Which was admittedly a mistake. But hardly not worthy of jumping to the PT Barnum or swindler accusations.
Ray Comforts Ministries offer a lot of resources for free===no charge---to the public. They seem to be legitimate unless you critics are challenging the tax-exempt status of all ministries. In which case you better strip the secular ones of tax-exempt status as well. Like the flippin Boy Scouts, for crying out loud!

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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Message 30 of 146 (864623)
10-13-2019 4:55 PM
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Re: Lets Discuss Modern Apologists Here
Phat writes:
But jar. All of them?
But what I actually say is so far I see no evidence that any apologist is not a sham and snake-oil salesman. I don't doubt that many might even believe the snake oil really has medicinal properties but they never seem to test their product to find out if it really is medicinal.
Bring an apologist who actually tests the product they sell against reality and maybe I will agree that that apologist is not a snake-oil salesman.
Bring me one that says "The God in Genesis 1 is not the same God as in Genesis 2&3 and the Serpent told the truth while God lied."

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