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Alfred Maddenstein
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04-27-2011 2:38 PM


I was being relegated to here in order to discuss something I am currently..well, it could be said obsessed about. That is both new and business as usual for me. It's, on the one hand, quite an ordinary thing for me to get passionate at some irregular intervals about something or other, though being that selfish bastard that I am, any one else's ideas had never really been the object of my passion. Well, at least not in this way.
I mean, of course, I've loved dozen of remarkable names with their wonderful mental achievements but never in the way as to want to share their lights with others. Shakespeare, Nicholas of Cusa or Schopenhauer are supreme but if any one is not remotely interested in anything they had to say what do I care?
Then again those are all established luminaries so their luminosity may have all the propping from countless other people with or without me. Anything casting a doubt on their greatness could be trumped with plenty of sources and authorities right on the spot. For example, my compatriot Leo Tolstoy wrote a pamphlet "proving" that Shakespeare was just a pretentious punster. Tolstoy's reasoning was rather sound within the limits of his own logic yet I may disagree and Orwell with countless others would back up my point.
So that might be an explanation to the difference in my attitude here. In Shakespeare's case, giving support is taking the safest bet, I am taking no risks so the whole thing is way too bland for me to be interested.
Whereas with Mayer the situation is entirely different; he is the guy whose mind strikes me to be of a very fine calibre, the fellow is full of ambition and he dreams of being a new..well, he goes to Jagielonian university in Cracow with his presentations so it must be Copernicus. He proposes a new model of the universe which if proven to be correct may validate such a dream though right now he is taken for a crank and as things go might even die a crackpot. He is not too old but change might be slow so you never know.

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04-27-2011 2:38 PM


Hi Alfred,
Thank you for submitting this thread proposal. Could you please flesh it out a bit with an outline of what Mayer is proposing? Feel free to cut-n-paste from your early messages, click on your name for a list of all the threads you've participated in thus far. Once you're in a thread you'll see a link under your name saying "Alfred Maddenstein's posts only". Click on that and it should make the job easy.
I'm not sure what the problem is, but I thought I was clear that I wasn't happy that you were introducing Mayer's ideas into multiple threads on other topics. Since you continued posting anyway in the How did round planets form from the explosion of the Big Bang? and The accelerating expanding universe threads I've temporarily removed your posting permissions in the Big Bang and Cosmology forum. I will restore them as soon as this thread proposal is accepted and promoted.

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05-01-2011 9:00 AM
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04-27-2011 4:12 PM


Admin writes:
Hi Alfred,
Thank you for submitting this thread proposal. Could you please flesh it out a bit with an outline of what Mayer is proposing? Feel free to cut-n-paste from your early messages, click on your name for a list of all the threads you've participated in thus far. Once you're in a thread you'll see a link under your name saying "Alfred Maddenstein's posts only". Click on that and it should make the job easy.
I'm not sure what the problem is, but I thought I was clear that I wasn't happy that you were introducing Mayer's ideas into multiple threads on other topics. Since you continued posting anyway in the How did round planets form from the explosion of the Big Bang? and The accelerating expanding universe threads I've temporarily removed your posting permissions in the Big Bang and Cosmology forum. I will restore them as soon as this thread proposal is accepted and promoted.
But why should you be so unhappy with that? That forum does not seem to be particularly active. Since I've been gone no new activity could be detected so even if I derailed the train of forum's thought off any topics, it was the derailment of a slow train indeed. It rather looked like no topics were much discussed at all. I hope no passenger bones have been broken.
As to the question of Alexander Franklin Mayer..well, let's say I am investigating the phenomenon and its aspects. What strikes me is the glaring gap between my own assessment of the man's achievements and the level of interest they currently generate.
That is, I want to find out whether I am a moron to hold something almost completely ignored in such a high esteem.
So, in a way, the issue for me to settle is who is foolish here. Myself or the venerated opinion of the many.
I propose that the thread should be copied into Is it science? forum for the opinion I have heard repeatedly is that the man is a worthless amateur in astrophysics having next to no peer-reviewed papers published and so on.
You ask me to give an outline of the theory. I must say that I am not sure I am the best person to do that as my translation of his ideas would necessarily be a very free one giving a somewhat wrong impression of his style. Which though not dry and jargon-laden by any means is quite matter-of-fact and investigative.
The best way is to hear it from the horse's mouth and judge for oneself.
The model is called MdR and that it because it is derived from the ideas of Minkowski, de Sitter and Riemann and in a nutshell is proposing that time should be considered in strictly geometrical terms. Space and time are strictly equivalent and mutually convertible measures with light expressing the constant ratio of the conversion. That is the reason why its velocity is not a variable and why no deviation in its measure is physically possible. That precludes any acceleration, inflation or expansion of the standard model. Geometrically time is strictly orthogonal to space. Thus if time and space are assumed to be an infinite circle, in such analogy the spatial part of the mixture could be taken to be the area of the circle and the temporal its circumference. If a radius is drawn from any of the points on the infinite circumference that should represent one of the infinity of the possible directions of time. Time is understood to be local necessarily.
The phenomenon of time dilation is taken to have a much wider significance than it is currently understood and in practical terms its manifestations are taken not to be limited to acceleration and deceleration of bodies involving local and relatively short distances.
For if any change in velocity is a reciprocal contacting and dilating of a distance and a time, then a sufficiently long distance on a cosmic scale is itself bound to produce exactly the same effect on the respective scale without any acceleration or deceleration involved.
Which may imply that on the universal scale the rates of processes, otherwise known as ageing are inversely proportionate to the distance to the observer. There could be no universal rate to the passing of time possible and the idea that a common clock may show a time the whole universe should agree on as it is proposed in the Big Bang model is incorrect. There may be the two rates of ageing to any object in cosmos- intrinsic and apparent at a distance. Any two observers at a close distance from each other would find that their intrinsic and apparent rates of ageing should roughly coincide in each other's estimation, yet any spatial distance between them may create a divergence in the respective reading of the two rates. At close distances that difference of rates may be ever so slight and practically negligible, yet the discrepancy between the two readings may grow as a function of distance and on the scale of billions of light years may become ever so great necessarily.
If instead of a circle the space and time relation is modelled as a sphere, then there is a parallelism between time and gravity. Time-lines may be then understood to be similar to gravity vectors in respect to the surface of the earth. Just like there is no gravity at the very centre of the earth's mass where all the vectors coincide, the sum of all times in the universe is agelessness necessarily. Mayer puts it beautifully and concisely saying in one of his papers that the universe is the physical manifestation of eternity.
Edited by Alfred Maddenstein, : Grammar and style

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