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ringo
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Message 341 of 377 (614594)
05-05-2011 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 340 by Straggler
05-05-2011 6:07 AM


Re: How Many Humans Would It Take To Design Our Universe?
Straggler writes:
... your own silly straw man version of ID.
Show me the strawman.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 344 of 377 (614608)
05-05-2011 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 342 by Straggler
05-05-2011 10:20 AM


Re: How Many Humans Would It Take To Design Our Universe?
Jon has answered your strawman accusation pretty well.
Straggler writes:
Bearing in mind that it is you who is insisting that a direct comparison with humans as designers is inherent in the premise of this thread.
IDists are making that comparison. If there's anything else to their claims beyond that comparison, go ahead and present it.
Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 347 of 377 (614632)
05-05-2011 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 346 by Straggler
05-05-2011 2:06 PM


Re: How Many Humans Would It Take To Design Our Universe?
Straggler writes:
The core premise of ID (flawed as it is) is that some aspects of nature are too complex to have arisen without the aid of intelligent intervention. How you go from that to concluding that "that the number of the Universe designer(s) should also be comparable to human designers" remains a mystery.
It appears to be a mystery only to you.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 352 of 377 (614742)
05-06-2011 10:48 AM
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05-06-2011 10:23 AM


Re: How Many Humans Would It Take To Design Our Universe?
Straggler writes:
Do you agree with Jon's conclusion that "the number of the Universe designer(s) should also be comparable to human designers". or not?
As far as I know, that was my conclusion and Jon agreed with it.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 354 of 377 (614754)
05-06-2011 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by Straggler
05-06-2011 12:08 PM


Re: How Many Humans Would It Take To Design Our Universe?
Straggler writes:
So how many humans do you think it would it take to design our universe?
By repeating that question, you're just beating on a strawman. Nobody has suggested that humans could design the universe. My position is that the IDists' reasoning breaks down at that point. Everybody seems to understand that but you.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 356 of 377 (614766)
05-06-2011 12:42 PM
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05-06-2011 12:38 PM


Re: How Many Humans Would It Take To Design Our Universe?
Straggler writes:
So if humans are not comparable to the hypothetical designer(s) of the universe in terms of design capability why do you think they would be comparable in terms of numbers?
Asked and answered.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 358 of 377 (614776)
05-06-2011 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 357 by Straggler
05-06-2011 12:50 PM


Re: How Many Humans Would It Take To Design Our Universe?
Straggler writes:
In the name of clarity could you explicitly restate your answer to this exact question?
Nobody else seems to be suffering from your lack of clarity. If you want repetition, reread the thread.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 360 of 377 (614788)
05-06-2011 1:17 PM
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05-06-2011 1:09 PM


Re: How Many Humans Would It Take To Design Our Universe?
Straggler writes:
If anybody else can explicitly state the answer to this question I would be delighted to hear from them too.
Jon has done that.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 372 of 377 (762294)
07-10-2015 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 370 by Rocky.C
07-10-2015 12:45 PM


Rocky.C. writes:
We want the kids to be taught the truth: that evolution is just a theory....
The problem seems to be that you don't understand what a theory is. Can you tell us in your own words what you think a theory is?

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