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Minnemooseus
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Message 4 of 14 (613724)
04-26-2011 10:12 PM


John Dean - Conservatives without Conscience
I thought there was a much larger "Authoritarians" topic somewhere, but I couldn't find it.
Anyway, much belatedly, I got into reading "The Authoritarians". But now I've gotten sidetracked into reading the John Dean book "Conservatives without Conscience", which Bob Altmeyer cites in his book. It was John Dean that encouraged Altmeyer to write the topic theme book.
"Conservatives without Conscience" was originally intended to be a John Dean / Barry Goldwater collaboration, but Barry's health took a turn for the worse before such could happen.
Anyway, I've just gotten through the 28 pages of preface, which was quite interesting in itself.
Basically, I'm giving the book a plug.
Conservatives without Conscience - Wikipedia
Amazon.com
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Minnemooseus
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Message 6 of 14 (613733)
04-26-2011 11:20 PM
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evcforum.net's main "Authoritarian" topic now found (link enclosed)
Now I found it (before I had searched topic titles for "Authoritarians", the desired topic was sans "s"):
Are You an Authoritarian?
That topic is currently at 132 messages.
Moose
Added by edit - But there is also a lot of messages at the Dreamcatcher topic NWR linked to.
Edited by Minnemooseus, : See above.

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Minnemooseus
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Message 7 of 14 (613852)
04-28-2011 3:17 AM
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Re: John Dean - Conservatives without Conscience
I have a lot of respect for the post-Watergate Dean.
It would have been nice to have had Barry Goldwater as a co-author. Would the current version of the right-wing accuse him of not being a "real conservative"? Maybe they'd declare him to be a liberal.
Bottom line - It would have much greater impact, to have Barry being the one critical of modern conservatism.
Moose
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Change ID.

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Minnemooseus
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Message 11 of 14 (615281)
05-12-2011 12:07 AM
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Barry Goldwater was a liberal? Compared to what?
Coyote writes:
It would have been nice to have had Barry Goldwater as a co-author. Would the current version of the right-wing accuse him of not being a "real conservative"? Maybe they'd declare him to be a liberal.
I think Goldwater was a great example of a "classical liberal."
From Wiki:
Classical liberalism is a philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets.
This is in opposition to social conservatives, who believe in few of these ideals and would love to see their particular brand of religion mandated by the state.
From your source:
quote:
Classical liberalism developed in the 19th century... {snip} Classical liberals established political parties that were called "liberal", although in the United States classical liberalism came to dominate both existing major political parties.
Are you not referring to a 19th century political philosophy that was adopted by mainstream modern conservatives (including Barry Goldwater)? Are not today's social conservatives some mutant (neo-conservative???) niche that has strayed from "true conservatism"? They are the ones that want government to keep out of the peoples personal business, except where they want government to intrude into peoples personal business. The ones who might think of Barry Goldwater as being a liberal? Are you one of them?
Moose
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Forgot to change subtitle.

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