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Rahvin
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Message 46 of 313 (616276)
05-20-2011 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by riVeRraT
05-20-2011 5:19 PM


riVeRraT writes:
Theodoric writes:
You still have provided no evidence for any of these assertions. Until you do all this is is bullshit coming from your fingers.
The people who made that broadcast were liberals.
Evidence?
It's pretty much common knowledge that liberals and tree hugger type people have headed up everything atv-ban related. This is fact, not something I just made up. I am not gonna get into it.
If it's "common knowledge," what is the "common knowledge" based on? Right now, rat, we only have your word. Why should we believe you if you refuse to give us any information other than your own label?
Whether or not liberals have done this or not is really not what we were getting at here, it was how the media reports things in a biased manner. The people who wanted atc banned got it, and they did it by lying.
You really don't think conservative republican type people would be heading up atv ban stuff? Use your head.
I see [i]far[/]i more blatant dishonesty on Fox News than I do in any other major media outlet. I don't hate them because they're conservative, I hate them because they're liars who try to support conservativism with lies. If you can show me a major media outlet who does the same with a liberal bent, I'll hate them just as much. But I'd bet you can't.

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Modulous
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Message 47 of 313 (616277)
05-20-2011 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by riVeRraT
05-20-2011 5:19 PM


It's pretty much common knowledge that liberals and tree hugger type people have headed up everything atv-ban related. This is fact, not something I just made up. I am not gonna get into it. Whether or not liberals have done this or not is really not what we were getting at here, it was how the media reports things in a biased manner. The people who wanted atc banned got it, and they did it by lying.
Wiki notes:
quote:
Although ORVs had been identified 30 years ago as a threat to wild ecosystems by the Forest Service, only after pressure by an unlikely alliance of environmentalists, private landowners, hunters, ranchers, fishermen, quiet recreationists and forest rangers themselves (who identified ORVs as a "significant law enforcement problem" in national forests) has action been taken.
'common knowledge' aside - is this article in error?

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crashfrog
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Message 48 of 313 (616279)
05-20-2011 5:36 PM
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05-20-2011 5:19 PM


You really don't think conservative republican type people would be heading up atv ban stuff?
Sure, why not? They would have demagogued against those goddamn atheist-Satanic kids and their rock music and drugs, like always.
I'm just not seeing the vast groundswell of support for ATV's among Tea Party types.

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 49 of 313 (616281)
05-20-2011 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by jar
05-20-2011 5:24 PM


jar writes:
riVeRraT writes:
You really don't think conservative republican type people would be heading up atv ban stuff? Use your head.
Barry Goldwater was a strong supporter of outlawing dune buggies and motorcycles from many of the wilderness areas. I know because I worked with him when I lived in Phoenix about just that issue.
I never said that someone who wasn't a liberal wasn't capable of being involved in banning atv's. I would even be involved if I thought it was the right thing to do. There should be parts of the woods that do have them banned, I agree with that. But that is the exception, not the norm when it comes to banning atv's. The liberals even went as far as to take a law that prevents children under the age of twelve from having a toy that posses lead, and crossed it over to youth atv's that have lead-acid batteries to start the motors. I mean come-on, were they trying to protect our children, or were they just being assholes? No 12 yr old kid is going to open a lead-acid battery and start eating it. The kids who ride youth atv's are supposed to be supervised anyway, if they aren't then it's the parents fault, not the atv.
NY is a liberal state. We have the toughest atv laws, and the least amount of places to ride, where as states like South Dakota you can ride an atv on everything except the interstate. There is no refuting that liberals (for the most part) head up most of the atv banning type laws. It has always been that way. Those reports on the atc were from CBS news, which has always been liberal/democratic biased. If you live in NY, you just know this.
Next they are working on jetski's and the like. Why don't these people just ban themselves from the earth because every time they shit it stinks, and that offends me.

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jar
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Message 50 of 313 (616282)
05-20-2011 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by riVeRraT
05-20-2011 5:46 PM


Twelve year old kids have no business being on an ATV except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.
Twelve year old kids have no business being on a jetski except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 51 of 313 (616283)
05-20-2011 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by jar
05-20-2011 5:52 PM


jar writes:
Twelve year old kids have no business being on an ATV except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.
Twelve year old kids have no business being on a jetski except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.
Excuse me? Who the fuck are you to tell me or my kids what we can and cannot do? Please move to China, and get out of my America. There are absolutely atv's made for kids 12 and under, and we have every right to ride them. Just because thee is a battery on them is not an excuse to let my kids ride.
Now fetus's, they don't belong on atv's so we should just kill them all.
It's shit like this that pisses me off. jar you have absolutely no business to tel me how to live my life, or how to raise my kids.

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PsychMJC
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Message 52 of 313 (616284)
05-20-2011 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by riVeRraT
05-20-2011 5:46 PM


If there was no doubt that it was a liberal crusade, you would have provided FACTS by now. At this rate your facts are starting to look like something I would expect to find in a post by ICANT or Buzzsaw.

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fearandloathing
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Message 53 of 313 (616285)
05-20-2011 5:59 PM


Must Use More Sources
Anyone who only chooses to rely on one source of news is a moron. IMO everyone should view as many sources as possible. I use CNN, FAUX, BBC, Radio Moscow, Al Jazeera...ect, then form my own opinion.
Is it possible for any major news provider not to be biased?? In a perfect world I guess NPR should come close.

"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson
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jar
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Message 54 of 313 (616286)
05-20-2011 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by riVeRraT
05-20-2011 5:56 PM


riVeRraT writes:
jar writes:
Twelve year old kids have no business being on an ATV except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.
Twelve year old kids have no business being on a jetski except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.
Excuse me? Who the fuck are you to tell me or my kids what we can and cannot do? Please move to China, and get out of my America. There are absolutely atv's made for kids 12 and under, and we have every right to ride them. Just because thee is a battery on them is not an excuse to let my kids ride.
Now fetus's, they don't belong on atv's so we should just kill them all.
It's shit like this that pisses me off. jar you have absolutely no business to tel me how to live my life, or how to raise my kids.
Sorry Charlie but guess what, in the US I do have a right to speak.
And guess what Charlie, it ain't YOUR America.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 55 of 313 (616287)
05-20-2011 5:59 PM


people like
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Now some of you will look at that web-site and go "omg" while the people with common sense will understand that yes atv's make ruts and trails. No they are not harmful to the forest as a whole. The trails can be moved around so that the growth comes back. Maybe these idiots in the pictures should stop making foot prints because they must be killing something when they walk. But a liberal will look for any reason to have things go their way.
It offends me.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 56 of 313 (616288)
05-20-2011 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by jar
05-20-2011 5:59 PM


jar writes:
riVeRraT writes:
jar writes:
Twelve year old kids have no business being on an ATV except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.
Twelve year old kids have no business being on a jetski except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.
Excuse me? Who the fuck are you to tell me or my kids what we can and cannot do? Please move to China, and get out of my America. There are absolutely atv's made for kids 12 and under, and we have every right to ride them. Just because thee is a battery on them is not an excuse to let my kids ride.
Now fetus's, they don't belong on atv's so we should just kill them all.
It's shit like this that pisses me off. jar you have absolutely no business to tel me how to live my life, or how to raise my kids.
Sorry Charlie but guess what, in the US I do have a right to speak.
And guess what Charlie, it ain't YOUR America.
It sure as hell is, and you can't tell me what to do. You are being a hypocrite, you do realize this?

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Rahvin
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Message 57 of 313 (616289)
05-20-2011 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by riVeRraT
05-20-2011 5:56 PM


riVeRraT writes:
jar writes:
Twelve year old kids have no business being on an ATV except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.
Twelve year old kids have no business being on a jetski except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.
Excuse me? Who the fuck are you to tell me or my kids what we can and cannot do? Please move to China, and get out of my America. There are absolutely atv's made for kids 12 and under, and we have every right to ride them. Just because thee is a battery on them is not an excuse to let my kids ride.
Now fetus's, they don't belong on atv's so we should just kill them all.
It's shit like this that pisses me off. jar you have absolutely no business to tel me how to live my life, or how to raise my kids.
The state (meaning the rest of us) has an interest in protecting minor children. They are not your possessions to do with as you want. For exactly the same reason that the state can tell you that you can't hit your kid, the state can tell you that you can't do certain dangerous activities with your child.
ATVs and jet skis can be very dangerous, and a minor child is not capable of having sufficient responsibility to ensure they will not harm themselves or others when piloting a vehicle like those.
You know. For the same reason they can't drive a car.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 58 of 313 (616290)
05-20-2011 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by riVeRraT
05-20-2011 6:01 PM


riVeRraT writes:
jar writes:
riVeRraT writes:
jar writes:
Twelve year old kids have no business being on an ATV except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.
Twelve year old kids have no business being on a jetski except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.
Excuse me? Who the fuck are you to tell me or my kids what we can and cannot do? Please move to China, and get out of my America. There are absolutely atv's made for kids 12 and under, and we have every right to ride them. Just because thee is a battery on them is not an excuse to let my kids ride.
Now fetus's, they don't belong on atv's so we should just kill them all.
It's shit like this that pisses me off. jar you have absolutely no business to tel me how to live my life, or how to raise my kids.
Sorry Charlie but guess what, in the US I do have a right to speak.
And guess what Charlie, it ain't YOUR America.
It sure as hell is, and you can't tell me what to do. You are being a hypocrite, you do realize this?
Of course I can tell you what you SHOULD do.
Frankly, I believe that criminal and Child Endangerment charges should be brought against any parent allowing a twelve year old or younger person to operate an ATV or JetSki.
How do you like them apples.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Rahvin
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Message 59 of 313 (616291)
05-20-2011 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by jar
05-20-2011 6:04 PM


jar writes:
riVeRraT writes:
jar writes:
riVeRraT writes:
jar writes:
Twelve year old kids have no business being on an ATV except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.
Twelve year old kids have no business being on a jetski except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.
Excuse me? Who the fuck are you to tell me or my kids what we can and cannot do? Please move to China, and get out of my America. There are absolutely atv's made for kids 12 and under, and we have every right to ride them. Just because thee is a battery on them is not an excuse to let my kids ride.
Now fetus's, they don't belong on atv's so we should just kill them all.
It's shit like this that pisses me off. jar you have absolutely no business to tel me how to live my life, or how to raise my kids.
Sorry Charlie but guess what, in the US I do have a right to speak.
And guess what Charlie, it ain't YOUR America.
It sure as hell is, and you can't tell me what to do. You are being a hypocrite, you do realize this?
Of course I can tell you what you SHOULD do.
Frankly, I believe that criminal and Child Endangerment charges should be brought against any parent allowing a twelve year old or younger person to operate an ATV or JetSki.
How do you like them apples.
Apparently our friend rat is not only confused about the role of judges in the legislative process, he's also confused about the freedom of speech and the ability of the state to legally restrict some of his behavior, particularly when it comes to endangering children...

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 60 of 313 (616293)
05-20-2011 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Rahvin
05-20-2011 6:07 PM


Rahvin writes:
Apparently our friend rat is not only confused about the role of judges in the legislative process, he's also confused about the freedom of speech and the ability of the state to legally restrict some of his behavior, particularly when it comes to endangering children...
It is not unusual to find that Americans are totally clueless about the US and it's laws, structure and responsibilities.
It is also not unusual to find that the very people that created the media and news mess that exists in the US also seem unaware that they were the very people that created the problem.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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