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granpa Member (Idle past 2369 days) Posts: 128 Joined: |
Darwinism isn't the belief that Darwin exists and Buddhism isn't the belief that Buddha exists
so why is Theism universally declared to be the belief that God exists? The bible itself says:
quote: The dictionary defines 'ism' as:
quote: One can believe in the principles of Buddhism or Darwinism and even consider oneself to be a Buddhist or Darwinist and yet not believe that Buddha or Darwin ever existed.Is there any reason one could not believe in the system of principles of theism without believing in the existence of any magical beings? Edited by granpa, : No reason given.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
...why is Theism universally declared to be the belief that God exists? From the top 3 Google "theism" finds: Theism - Wikipedia -
quote: Theism Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com -
quote: http://www.theism.info/ -
quote: Case closed? So
Is there any reason one could not believe in the system of principles of theism without believing in the existence of any magical beings? in which I believe you meant to say (striking the "not")
Is there any reason one could becomes
Is there any reason one could believe in the system of principles of the belief that at least one deity/god exists without believing in the existence of any magical beings? Presuming that "deity/god" and "magical being" is the same thing to you, does that question make sense to you? Adminnemooseus Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Change a couple of "deity" to "deity/god". Please be familiar with the various topics and other links in the "Essential Links", found in the top of the page menu. Amongst other things, this is where to find where to report various forum problems.
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granpa Member (Idle past 2369 days) Posts: 128 Joined: |
by that definition a satanist could be considered a theist.
Does that make sense to you?
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
Makes sense to me. A matter of choice of deity.
Adminnemooseus Please be familiar with the various topics and other links in the "Essential Links", found in the top of the page menu. Amongst other things, this is where to find where to report various forum problems.
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granpa Member (Idle past 2369 days) Posts: 128 Joined: |
that depends on whether or not you regard the principles of theism to be whatever God says they are
or whether you think God says them because they are the principles of theism. Does one accept that right and wrong is whatever God saysor does one accept that right and wrong already exist and would exist whether God did or not and God, if he existed, would therefore be limited to these already existing principles. Edited by granpa, : No reason given. Edited by granpa, : No reason given. Edited by granpa, : No reason given. Edited by granpa, : No reason given.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined:
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...the definition of "theism". That's the topic title.
In message 1 you ask:
...why is Theism universally declared to be the belief that God exists? To which I supplied a number of sources and "theism" definitions that answered that question. The philosophy of theism is a philosophy that at least 1 deity/god exists. I find the rest of your input to be pretty muddled. You seem to be wanting to explore theistic philosophy while excluding considerations of a god existing. Which, to me, makes absolutely no sense. Adminnemooseus
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granpa Member (Idle past 2369 days) Posts: 128 Joined: |
That is the topic and the question was
quote:in the same way that one can believe in buddhism without believing that buddha existed and one can believe in darwinism without believing that darwin existed. quoting dictionary definitions doesnt explain anything.It merely proves my point, that 'theism' is generally and inexplicably, regarded as merely the belief that God exists even though no other 'ism' is similarly defined. It doesnt explain why this one single 'ism' is defined differently than all other isms. Edited by granpa, : No reason given. Edited by granpa, : No reason given. Edited by granpa, : combine consecutive posts
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granpa Member (Idle past 2369 days) Posts: 128 Joined: |
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined:
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granpa writes: Is there any reason one could not believe in the system of principles of theism without believing in the existence of any magical beings? As I see it, there is a significant ambiguity in your using "not" in that question (I had previously suggested that your question's intent would be clearer by excluding that "not"). If you indeed want that "not" in there, are you intending "one could not (couldn't) believe in" or "one could not believe in"? To me, there is a subtle but significant difference.
granpa writes: In the same way that one can believe in buddhism without believing that buddha existed and one can believe in darwinism without believing that darwin existed. In the Judaic/Christian/Islamic theism/theology, there is the belief in a god (God or Allah). More so, there is a belief in a creator god. So I turn your statement into...
changed by Adminnemooseus, writes: "In the same way that one can believe in creationism without believing that a creator existed. ...which makes no sense to me. By the way, "Darwinism" is not a philosophy. It is a name attached to the theory of biological evolution, named after Charles Darwin. "Buddhism" seems to fall into a sort of grey area between non-theistic and theistic philosophy, attributed to someone known as the Buddha. This Buddha may or may not actually have been a real person. Likewise to "Buddhism", one might consider "Christism", the philosophy attributed to someone known as Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ may or may not actually have been a real person, but that philosophy still exists. Adminnemooseus Added by edit: Granpa's message was edited while I was preparing the above. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.
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granpa Member (Idle past 2369 days) Posts: 128 Joined: |
quote: How many theists do you think would agree with that? For that matter, how many theists do you think define God as a magical being? Edited by granpa, : No reason given.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
It merely proves my point, that 'theism' is generally and inexplicably, regarded as merely the belief that God exists even though no other 'ism' is similarly defined. Theism is a philosophy based on the existence of god(s). It, at the minimum, STRONGLY implies a belief that said god(s) exists, regardless of whether that belief is correct or not. Theist = Godist - One who believe in God.
quote: Source Satanism is a variety of Theism How many theists do you think would agree with that? Such is my opinion. I may be wrong, but I fail to see how it's a relevant part of this topic (see "second added by edit", below). How many theists do you think there are, who don't have some variety of belief in God's existence? Added by edit, regarding your added by edit:
For that matter, how many theists do you think define God as a magical being? You seem to be one. Or, what would you define God to be? Adminnemooseus Second added by edit:
quote: Source This indeed indicates that I was wrong - Satanists don't view Satan as being a deity. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.
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Are you still interested in working with Adminnemooseus to have this thread promoted, or should this proposal be closed?
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granpa Member (Idle past 2369 days) Posts: 128 Joined: |
the point that I was trying to make was made better here:
EvC Forum: death drive Adminnemooseus is so far off base that there is no hope of bridging the gap.
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