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Author Topic:   New theory about evolution between creationism and evolution.
Larni
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Message 28 of 433 (602088)
01-26-2011 5:35 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by zi ko
01-25-2011 2:10 PM


Re: Mechanism?
Biology of learning may give some clues on the matter.
You mean the psychology of learning: which is pretty well researched and (off the op of my head) I can't see how 'knowing' helps evolution.
In fact 'knowing' would do the exact opposite. If you can out think the problem you don't have as big a selective force for physical evolution.
Carl Joung's collective subconscous and archetypes.
If you can provide any evidence that the collective unconscious is not simply a construct I will eat one of my many hats.
as to search for facts about EMPATHY. I don't think can denay its existance.
You seem to be missing out the science of psychology. Empathy? What do you know about mirror cells or the theory of mind?
During my training I received versy specific training in, guess what?
Empathy.
No one would deny it because it is a well known and researched area within psychology.
Edited by Larni, : eating hats.
Edited by Larni, : empathy

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Larni
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Message 52 of 433 (602276)
01-27-2011 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by zi ko
01-27-2011 1:22 AM


Re: Mechanism?
Please show how knowing and communication is required for evolution to take place. If you can't your hypothesis (it's not theory) is invalid.

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Larni
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Message 70 of 433 (602304)
01-27-2011 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by zi ko
01-27-2011 9:21 AM


Re: Mechanism?
zi ko writes:
You ask me me to explain the self evident.It couldn't be done otherwise.
I coluld name it hypothetical theory.
It is obviously not self evident, however. If it was you would be able to bring some positive evidence to the table.
As it stands you have made a claim (put forwards a hypothesis) and then done nothing.
Essentially you are saying "for unknown reasons I assert that x.y and z is true. I have not examined whether x, y and z is in fact true; I merely assert it. You must believe I'm right"
That won't wash with anyone with a high school knowledge of scientific research.
It is a hypothesis that you have made no effort to test.
A hypothetical theory is just that; hypothetical as opposed to actual.
Simply i add another one,which fits with some known facts (punctuated equilibrium and stasis by St GOULD and ELDREDGED, and collective unconscious by C YOUNG). Couldn't they work together?
No they could not work together. You are on very shaky ground if you bring in any analytical psychological perspectives into a scientific discussion because of the simple fact that Jung was very much talking out of his arse.
Edited by Larni, : Jungian diatriabe

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Larni
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Message 74 of 433 (602408)
01-28-2011 6:09 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by zi ko
01-27-2011 10:58 PM


Re: Mechanism?
As i answered Tag neuronal biology could test my theory
How could it test your hypothesis? What is your experiment?
I don't say "believe me , i am right". But only" think, maybe there is another truth than this you unquestionably now believe"
What you are saying is "I think this is true, go test it". But you have given no reason for people to follow your logic of why you think it is true.
If you think that science is about unquestioningly believing things then you know as much about the scientific method as you do about the existance of Psychology.
It does not need, any new proposition, that doesn't fit to our established beliefs, to hurt us.
I have no idea what this means.
Edited by Larni, : spellink and clarity.

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Larni
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Message 89 of 433 (602556)
01-28-2011 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by onifre
01-28-2011 4:55 PM


Re: Mirror neurons and empathy
Yup. That is what got me pissed.
As if empathy has never been studied. As you American's sometimes say: sheesh!

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Larni
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Message 92 of 433 (602665)
01-30-2011 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by zi ko
01-30-2011 1:37 PM


Re: Mechanism?
Please show how mirror cells support your hypothesis (again, it is not a theory!).

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Larni
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Message 94 of 433 (602668)
01-30-2011 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by zi ko
01-30-2011 1:47 PM


Re: Mechanism?
ince it gives support to empathic communication, it supports my hypothetic theory.
No it does not. It supports the hypothesis that one human being can vicariously experience emotion by watching people when they are in an emotional state.
It has nothing to do with your hypothesis (again, it is only an unsupported hypothesis until you go and do so actual applied research).
These stages need to be moved through.
wiki writes:
Observations and Formation of the topic
Hypothesis
Conceptual definitions
Operational definition
Gathering of data
Analysis of data
Test, revising of hypothesis
Conclusion, iteration if necessary
You are at the hypothesis stage. Nowhere near being a theory.
Research - Wikipedia
Edited by Larni, : spellink

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Larni
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Message 98 of 433 (602674)
01-30-2011 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by zi ko
01-30-2011 2:25 PM


Re: Mechanism?
You are wrong that mirror cells support your hypothesis.
Unless you can show that you are correct with some of that evidence all the kids are talking about, these days.

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
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Message 105 of 433 (602757)
01-31-2011 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by New Cat's Eye
01-31-2011 10:42 AM


Me too.

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Larni
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Message 107 of 433 (602760)
01-31-2011 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by New Cat's Eye
01-31-2011 2:41 PM


One who has just discovered that he/she knows all there is to know about the world? And can't believe why he/she's getting such a grilling here?
I reckon.

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Larni
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Message 109 of 433 (602894)
02-01-2011 3:00 PM


An apology due....
As much as it pains me to say it zi ko is in fact correct with his theories.
Caprican humans can transmit information down through generations via their genes (rather than culture).
It is counter intuitive but that's why we have the song 'All along the watch tower'.
The information somehow gets coded into the genetic structure via some very ordered sections of dna that do, in fact look designed (although design to match Caprican human dna).
About 150,0000 years ago there was an event that molecular genetics pinpoints as the time frame when Caprican dna merged with ours.
I can't remember the name of the documentary, though.

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Larni
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Message 114 of 433 (602992)
02-02-2011 3:11 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Blue Jay
02-02-2011 12:36 AM


Re: An apology due....
My point entirely.
And I was being hilarious. POTM nomination, anyone?

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Larni
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Message 135 of 433 (620669)
06-19-2011 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by zi ko
06-19-2011 4:14 AM


Re: Check your premise
In this case the reaction arc and the learning arc are the same
This is untrue.
Knowing the changes (by empathy), other members "learn" what to "do" to overcome in the long run, in many generations, the challenge.
This is also untrue.
Honestly, the position you maintain on this issue is that of a complete fool.

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
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Message 141 of 433 (620773)
06-20-2011 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by NoNukes
06-20-2011 11:50 AM


Re: Check your premise
But we don't say that your digestion is under sentient control.
Funnily enough the human gut has 100,000s of neurons in the lining.
But, of course your point stands: and zi ko's falls in the ditch of Great Crank.

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
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Message 148 of 433 (621062)
06-23-2011 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Wounded King
06-23-2011 7:07 AM


Re: Barbara Wright redux
In what way does your neural system act as a mechanism to derepress specific genes as an environmental response?
If you wished really, really, really hard.......

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