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Author Topic:   War and Morality. Al Qaeda v USA
Phat
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Message 133 of 175 (622135)
07-01-2011 1:05 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Straggler
06-30-2011 8:05 AM


Re: Perspective
Straggler writes:
But how would you see the endpoint of invading Afghanistan?
The United States has discovered nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan

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Phat
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Message 166 of 175 (625490)
07-23-2011 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by jar
06-25-2011 1:09 PM


Re: Stop and think
jar writes:
When all you have is a family goat, would you not want to protect it?
Yes, but if i lived in a nation that was largely poor and had offers of assistance from a nation that was quite wealthy, I may decide that compromise is better than futility.
jar writes:
If your nation was invaded, would you not want to try to expel the invaders?
Depends how they invaded, who they were after, and if they were rebuilding public roads and bridges and building water desalination plants and electrical grids. I could care less if they were of my religion as long as they didn't hurt me or my family. Why should these poor people not want to have a consensus with us? I suspect that their fundamentalist religion gets in the way of it...which proves that it is not only we who are crazy.

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Phat
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Message 168 of 175 (625494)
07-23-2011 1:13 PM
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07-23-2011 12:49 PM


Goal: Eliminate Fundamentalist Thinking
jar writes:
Like the electric grids, power stations, hospitals, roads and bridges that they blew up?
It makes no sense. They are helping make sure that Iraq and Afghanistan were a huge waste of taxpayer dollars. My question remains...why do they hate us so much? WE are trying to build stuff for them, after all. We just dont want them to remain a fundamentalist religious backwoods nation, as that type of thinking is, in our opinion, illogical.

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Phat
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Message 170 of 175 (625501)
07-23-2011 1:44 PM
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07-23-2011 1:38 PM


Re: Goal: Eliminate Fundamentalist Thinking
Yes I agree that we did more harm getting involved than we did good, though a case could be made that our soldiers received an invaluable experience actually seeing how these people live and that they are not all terrorists.
If ideology and stinking thinking is the enemy, it be us.
What did we expect to accomplish over there? Seems like a money pit!
The Taliban likely will return.

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Phat
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Message 173 of 175 (625746)
07-25-2011 12:10 PM
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07-23-2011 1:38 PM


Re: Goal: Eliminate Fundamentalist Thinking
I recently read a great book, The Next Decade: Where We've Been . . . and Where We're Going by George Friedman. He notes that the US had no strategy until September 11th, then applied the wrong strategy as it hastily tried (too late) to understand the world and the thinking and ideologies of people other than our own. (never-mind that we cant even understand ourselves)
Friedman has other books too...and as soon as I can I'm going to browse skim read them all.

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