Why are there no human apes alive today?

The Catholic church threw its hat behind evolution way too soon. It was far more seemingly credible 20 years ago. It isn't anymoreThe Pope should consider a rethink!

What is wrong with constructing family trees based on DNA? Isn't that the way it should be done? You do realize that convergent evolution involves non-homologous features, right?

It's not just the RCC. EVERY major Christian Church accepts the fact or Evolution and that the ONLY explanation and model that explains what is seen is the Theory of Evolution.There is no Creationist model.

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Well evos come from the assumption of ancestry.Biblical creationists come from the assumption of created kinds.Hence, it would be up to a creationist scientist to determine what variety of ape a human has."Wood and Harrison cautioned that history has shown how uncritical reliance on a few similarities between fossil apes and humans can lead to incorrect assumptions about evolutionary relationships.They pointed out the cases of the Ramapithecus discovery in south Asia, which was touted in the 1960s and '70s as a human ancestor, and Oreopithecus bambolii discovered in Italy, which was assumed to be a human ancestor because of some of its skeletal features.After more detailed research was done on both of them, both were found to be fossil apes instead."
Andhranews.netI am not trying to disprove evolution. I am suggesting it is not factual and should be classed as a faith.In relation to the thread topic, there is no good reason for a half hairy, apey creature to no have survived in Africa somehwere.The greatest distinction in organisms and the one that would stand out as evidence for TOE is such a creature. You do not have one around over the last 1000 years or so. You must invent a plethora of reasonings as to why NONE survived.Creationists do not need a plethora of reasonings and convoluted theories. The evidence is self explanatory. There are no hairy apey people around today because there never were any...Why? Because God created a variety of apes and then God created mankind...and that is what the fossil record demonstates.

No, we don't. Shared ancestry is the conclusion that has been drawn from the data. Remember ERV's?

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Given the size of vertebrate genomes (>1 10^9 bp) and the random nature of retroviral integration (22, 23), multiple integrations (and subsequent fixation) of ERV loci at precisely the same location are highly unlikely (24). Therefore, an ERV locus shared by two or more species is descended from a single integration event and is proof that the species share a common ancestor into whose germ line the original integration took place (14).
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If chimps and humans do not share a common ancestor then we should not find the same ERV's at the same location in both genomes. However, we DO share ERV's at the same location in both genomes, therefore it is concluded that we share a common ancestry according to the evidence.The same works for fossils. If humans and chimps share a common ancestor then there should have been species in the past that had a combination of modern human and basal ape features. The fossils left behind by these species allows us to test this prediction, and the prediction has been confirmed.Shared ancestry is not the assumption. There is no good reason that they HAD TO survive, either.What about all of the intermediates between wolves and chihuahuas? Where are they, or do you think that chihuahuas and wolves are from different kinds?

You do not have a theory. You have a mess.AND yes, there are creationists models.http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/creationmodels.htmlEvolutionists often call creationists ignorant. However evolutionists can also be very ignorant at times.Evos do not have an answer for every question and still believe. Likewise so can creationists that put their faith in an all powerful God as opposed to the reasonings of mankind.The evidence for the creation is all around and you mostly call it luck!

Evolution isn't a belief. It is a scientific theory. You need to stop projecting.

I'm sorry but that is simply a lie.I have a theory, it is called the Theory of Evolution.And there are no models on your link, just classic Creationist misrepresentation. Your link simply lists ways that Creationists misrepresent reality.No one ever claimed to have all the answers. What they have pointed out is that "God did it" is an empty, worthless, content free assertion that explains nothing.And when you say "Likewise so can creationists that put their faith in an all powerful God as opposed to the reasonings of mankind." you are simply spouting nonsense and implying things that simply do not exists.There is no reason those who support the fact of Evolution and understand that the only model that explains the diversity of life seen is the Theory of Evolution cannot also have faith in God.

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I'll put another reply to this.Simply this...I do not have the time to waste on educating evolutionists in the science they purport to understand and defend.I will engraciate you this time. One example is Heidelberg man. Only a jaw was found.Below is the link where you can see what you actually have and many are just a bone or two to reconstruct a theory about a complete organism."There are a number of clear trends (which were neither continuous nor uniform) from early australopithecines to recent humans: increasing brain size, increasing body size, increasing use of and sophistication in tools, decreasing tooth size, decreasing skeletal robustness. There are no clear dividing lines between some of the later gracile australopithecines and some of the early Homo, between erectus and archaic sapiens, or archaic sapiens and modern sapiens.Despite this, there is little consensus on what our family tree is. Everyone accepts that the robust australopithecines (aethiopicus, robustus and boisei) are not ancestral to us, being a side branch that left no descendants. Whether H. habilis is descended from A. afarensis, africanus, both of them, or neither of them, is still a matter of debate. It is possible that none of the known australopithecines is our ancestor. "
Prominent Hominid FossilsWhat you call a theory of evolution is no more than the evolution of a mess.TOE is a theory in evolution itself and has not predictive capability, is irrefuteable and should never be classed as anything more than a faith with wish lists as its basis.

Well I say what creationists have is at least as robust as the garbage bin of evolutionary delusions past.I know some believer acccept TOE. Yet none have explained how human a human needs to be to gain salvation.How much will a believer discredit from the bible before he may as well throw the whole book away?The earth, its place in space, the nonsense about the need for an iron to core to differentiate the earth from other planets and why it came to be so, the impact scenario to explain the moon, water from comets being totally different to the water on earth requiring another explanation for waters arrival. etc etcTruly..there is more than you apparently know that is stron support for a biblical creation done in stages of days, time periods.I would need a book not a post to demonstrate all the evidence for creation, regardless of not having a convoluted theory such as evos have.Do not forget if kinds were created, we do not need the rubbish you guys have to come up with. We just need to sort out how many varieties of each kind God made.Edited by Mazzy, : No reason given.

You are of course free to say anything you want, but the fact is no Creationist has ever presented a model that explains anything.How does the wittle creator critter you are trying to market direct evolutionary changes? Does it use its wittle screw driver or wittle tweezers or does it plunk its magic twanger froggy?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

I thought that according to you there were no other species in the genus Homo.

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We are talking about a science you have yet to imagine, let alone comprehend.Perhaps God went into one of these stupid dimensions theorised, created each kind in a giant petrie dish and used dark matter as a transportation slide to fly them back to earth.This is no more nonsensical that saying the first living cell 'poofed' into existence all by itself.

Okay. Care to visit the The Creationist Challenge - Can You Identify Kinds? thread and show us how to differentiate one kind from another? You were the inspiration for that thread, after all.

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Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs.
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I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.
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According to what? You mean your Linneaus system that presumes ancestry and may class a chimp as homo soon.Your taxons mean nothing at all. They are just a forum for discussion and comparisons of your nonsense..