Another example of right wing evil

I simply do not know if those who want to implement this law hope to acheive avoiding teaching young children about gay relationships. I suppose the actual sex is more on target. I agree. And I think the line could be drawn in a better place than "middle school". Maybe 5th grade and younger would be better. What is it about public school teachers that they have to be able to discuss sexuality with children? Aren't there other people who can discuss it with them? Age of consent depends on the state, but I don't think there's any differences for gay sex.

Wow. I feel bad for your school if that's all your sexual education was about. Must have been a very short class, eh? No mention of diseases associated with sex? No mention of condoms or how to put one on? It was STRICTLY about reproduction/pregnancy etc.?

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"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

There is usually a one-time talk at the end of 5th grade concerning sex and puberty. I've given these before and they consist of a brief talk, usually some sort of short movie, and a LOT of Q&A - which is where the issue of homosexuality would be most likely to be brought up. I can't imagine how hard it would be to work up the courage to ask a question about one's sexuality only to be told that it was illegal to discuss it.Seems pretty obvious that the intent is to limit exposure of kids to the issue in order to prevent them from seeing homosexuality as normal for some people.I wonder how many of those who support banning any mention of homosexuality from health classes also cry about "censoring" ID from science education?LurkerEdited by Itinerant Lurker, : No reason given.Edited by Itinerant Lurker, : No reason given.

As I said before I do not know, I am not a resident of Tennessee. I guess they choose homosexuality because it is an issue that the people feel strongly about there. Off topic.This proposed new law only covers elementary and middle school. I linked it on page 4, so that everyone could read the real part of the debate instead of the propaganda that Taz wants everyone to read. I disagree. Homosexuality was accepted in those cultures but it was not a base like Puritanism is here. Care to show evidence of your assertion? Strawman.I never stated that I hate minority groups. Umhello? Try to stay on topic. LOL Where do you place bisexuals are they hetero or homo? Holy cow! I see your strategy of jumping from topic to topic, but the whole debatable thing was the percentage of K-8 students that are involved in homosexual activity, all this other BS you mention is not even on topic. Your strawman that Catholic Scientist said that being gay from birth was debatable is really sad, he even quoted you and put into bold font what was debatable.
You speak of logic and then fail to use it. Hilarious!!!! Yeah I went to Catholic Grade School, diseases were mentioned, but no condoms.

So, your argument appears to be that the Tennessee school system fails to provide children with information therefore we should give up on children in Tennessee.We're talking about kids who very likely aren't getting accurate information from friends and family. What is a school for if not to provide unbiased information free from the prejudices of society? Here you are arguing that it's Tennessee's right TO CHOOSE where to draw the line.That misses the point. They don't have the right TO DRAW the line in the first place.What purpose does it serve to prohibit a guidance councilor from having a pamphlet on his wall addressing homosexuality? They have pamphlets on dealing with divorce. They have pamphlets on dealing with abuse. They have pamphlets on teen pregnancy. They have pamphlets on bullying.But it should be illegal to have a pamphlet called "I think I'm gay" which provides some support and guidance to kids who have a MUCH higher suicide rate than straights?All because the parents are uneducated bigots? Religion is a thought, yet religious groups are protected.
And cripples just choose to walk funny because they are lazy.Denying a minority group information because the majority doesn't like them is unamerican.Now, I know that the South prides itself on being unamerican, but you guys did LOSE the civil war, remember?

Your opinion doesn't really count though does it? You opened this argument with the admission that you didn't learn about this topic when getting your education.That's sort of like saying "we didn't go over algebra in school, but I don't think X is a number". My assertion is that the Federal Government has to step in because southern states are misbehaving.Do you want to start with the Civil War or with Civil Rights? [qs]Umhello? Try to stay on topic.
Where do you place bisexuals are they hetero or homo?[qs] Who's off topic now?The question was "how did the first heterosexual convince the 2nd heterosexual to have gay sex with him if neither of them wanted to in the first place??"Why would either of these two heterosexuals choose to invent homosexuality if neither of them were gay? So, students need to engage in sexual activity prior to getting education about it? Really? That's your position?

No. I doubt that young children in Tennesee need the public schools to provide them with information about homosexuality in order to remain healthy. Even granting that some might, I don't think the "certain percentage" of them that would makes the bill unreasonable. We are? Why? Because its Tennessee? If you mean the prejudice that its okay to teach young children how to engage in gay sex then you could be supporting this bill with that statement. Why not? Who else should determine what is taught in Tennessee public schools if not Tennessee, itself? Its right there in the bill:

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The general assembly recognizes the sensitivity of particular subjects that are best explained and discussed in the home. Human sexuality is a complex subject with societal, scientific, psychological, and historical implications; those implications are best understood by children with sufficient maturity to grasp their complexity.

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Nope. Do they have an "I think I'm a Jew" pamphlet? The bill doesn't prevent them from getting information, it just limits the early public schools from providing it to them. I'm from Illinois.

Are you even listening to yourself? Seriously?You are saying that the percentage of children that would be helped by including this information is small, therefore we shouldn't include it.So, the UPSIDE of including it is that some children are helped. The DOWNSIDE of including it is that some parents are bigots.So, let's NOT include it, because helping children is less noble than satisfying bigots.That brings us right back to the title of the thread: Right wing evilIt's evil to insist that hurting children is better than confronting bigotry. Yes. And because there are a number of families which have gay children who are afraid to come out for fear of retribution from their parents, or their town. Who is talking about "teaching children how to engage in sex" of one kind or another?From what I remember of health class, it was very nuts and bolts. We learned a lot about things that really don't make one bit of differences in the actual sex act.Do you, as a male, really need to know what an ovary looks like in order to have sex? No.However, it is important for all kids to feel accepted. And specifically leaving out information which could help one group just because you are a member of a larger group is wrong. Since when is the "home" the best place to explain or discuss anything?How is this statement any different than a statement made by Creationists? 8th grade is hardly "early".
And telling kids that school is the wrong place to get information is EXACTLY what I expect from a state like Tennessee

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- xongsmith, 5.7d

CS, getting a bit lost here, posits, among other things: What about when children should be warned about Catholic Priests and other figures in similar positions of power over your children - many of whom are homosexual?Wait until the 5th grade? Nursery school? There is a lot of serious health damage being inflicted even to this day, some of it earlier than pre-school.But I digress....

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- xongsmith, 5.7d

"Feel strongly"......?Obviously this is about more than simply flexing their state legislature muscles to make a point as you first implied. They could have done that on any issue without targeting homosexuality.So in what sense do you think the residents of Tennessee "feel strongly" about the subject of homosexuality specifically?Do you think their feelings regarding homosexuality are positive - For example?

First off, I'm saying that children won't really be helped by including this information. Further, if I do assume some are for the sake of argument, then that number is too low to make the bill unreasonable. No, I don't agree to that. Its looking like "Right wing evil" is that which simply does not agree with the left. And if you disagree with the left, then there is something wrong with you and you are a bad person. Sure, but that's not happening here. Lets let "Left wing evil" be the position that entire states are incompetent and require the input from other states on the other side of the country that are very dissimiliar, and those that would rather govern themselves are bad and there's something wrong with them. There are a number of families who have right win children who are afraid to come out for fear of retribution from their parents, or their town. So which is it? Does it not really make one bit of difference or is it required for children to remain healthy? There's always going to be losers and fat and ugly kids. Not all kids are going to feel accepted.Too, if its so important, then why are so many in this age group doing so much to be unacceptable?: I dunno, but if that's how Tennesse wants it to be then so be it. Its not up to people in other states to determine that for them. I agree that their upper limit is a bit too far. I think leaving it at elementary school would be more easliy acceptable. But again, its up to them to determine that.

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It's a fair point, however pedophilia =/= homosexuality.Pedophiles are interested in children. Homosexuals are interested in adults of the same sex.A homosexual who is attracted to an adult man is not likely to be interested in a little boy, as they are girlish.

You're either insane or morally corrupt. As of yet, I can't figure out which.On the one hand: Children who need this information are helped, and children that don't need this information learn a little bit about tolerance.On the other hand: Children who need this information are not helped, and children who are intolerant remain unchallenged in their bigotry.I fail to see WHY this law should be needed AT ALL. What harm exists NOW that this bill is meant to correct? Who is harmed by the current situation that this bill is saving from harm by denying education? But you can't refute it. Sort of like "Nah nah, I can't hear you". You can disagree with the left about taxes. And doing so, you would be expected to OFFER SOME DEFENSE OF YOUR POSITION.In this case, you have not offered ANY DEFENSE other than "I don't care if these children need help - F them!"That's evil. Tennessee takes in $1.27 in tax benefits for every $1 it gives out.Until the Red states start PAYING THEIR OWN WAY, they don't have the right to govern themselves without input from the adult states.Check ANY list of "donor states" and "welfare states" against any list of "blue states" and "red states".We foot the bill, we call the shots. You don't like it, then GIVE THE MONEY BACK. I don't know if you're just being childish or if you honestly just hate minorities. I'm starting to lean to hate. Wow. You don't know the difference between what's taught in health class vs what information is minimally required to engage in sex.And you dare to offer you opinion here.That takes some serious balls. So now you want Tennessee to pass a law removing ugly kids from school? Nice.Oh wait, that's right, I'm just one of those damn liberals, paying all the bills and complaining that you can't do whatever the f you want to kids you don't like.Get a job. Then Tennessee needs to refund ~ $300 million dollars to have the right to say that.We'll take a cashier's check.