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Jon
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Message 136 of 533 (626319)
07-28-2011 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Wounded King
07-28-2011 12:03 PM


Re: Rating System Equation
It may be that you had given another of their messages a higher rating at some point. That means that you could have lowered your own average rating for that poster and that in turn would lower the overall average.
At least that was how I understood the system worked.
Oh. I didn't know that it worked that way.
That would explain a lot of my confusion.
Jon

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Message 137 of 533 (626320)
07-28-2011 12:50 PM
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07-26-2011 8:23 AM


Re: New Feature: Signature Display Disable
Coolio!

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Message 138 of 533 (626321)
07-28-2011 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Jon
07-28-2011 12:33 PM


Re: Rating System Equation
Funny this should come up, because revamping the rating system has risen to the top of my todo list. It will be replaced with a thumbs-up/thumbs-down system. Administrators will be able to set whether it's thumbs-up only, thumbs-down only, or both. I haven't completed the design yet, but I'm hoping to include the ability to include a comment. Hovering over the icons will bring up a box listing who gave the message a thumbs-up or thumbs-down. Messages with the most thumbs-up or thumbs-downs will be displayed on Post-of-the-Month webpages (or whatever time period).
Oh, about the equation? Yeah, what WK said. I'm going to preserve the existing message ratings with 1 and 2 being a thumbs down, 4 and 5 a thumbs up, and 3's are ignored.

--Percy
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fearandloathing
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Message 139 of 533 (626813)
07-31-2011 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Admin
07-28-2011 12:55 PM


Is this what you intended?
Message 62
Did you mean to have more then 1 thumbs up showing or just 1 with the # of ups or downs?
AbE seems you are working on that now.
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

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Message 140 of 533 (626817)
07-31-2011 1:48 PM


New Message Rating System
Some may already have noticed that the old message rating system of 1 to 5 has been replaced with a like/dislike system. Here are a few details:
  • On the "Like/Dislike" line, click on the maroon thumbs-up icon to indicate you like, approve or agree with a post. It will change to a lighter color to indicate you've voted. Click again to remove your vote.
  • On the "Like/Dislike" line, click on the maroon thumbs-down icon to indicate you dislike, disapprove or disagree with a post. It will change to a lighter color to indicate you've voted. Click again to remove your vote.
  • Each vote of approval causes a lighter thumbs-up icon to be displayed with the message. Messages may accumulate any number of thumbs-up votes.
  • Each vote of disapproval causes a lighter thumbs-down icon to be displayed with the message. Messages may accumulate any number of thumbs-down votes.
  • Hovering over the thumbs-up or thumbs-down icon will list the members who voted that way.
  • Old ratings greater than 3 became a thumbs-up rating.
  • Old ratings less than 3 became a thumbs-down rating.
  • Member ratings were reset. They will be recalculated the first time someone votes for one of your messages.
  • Your messages must receive votes from at least five different members before you are given a member rating.
  • Only your most recent messages count for your member rating, up to 90 days old. If you posted more than 500 messages over the past 90 days then only your most recent 500 messages are considered.
  • There is a new member rating equation. The total number of members with a net approval of your messages minus the total number of members with a net disapproval of your messages is divided by the number of messages receiving votes. Member rating values can range between plus and minus 100.
The second part of this feature, which should be released sometime next month, will connect the message ratings to an automated Post of the Month system. Comments about messages will be part of the system. On the webpage listing the top posts, comments in a blog comment sort of style will follow each message.
Comments, suggestions, criticism, etc., are all welcome.
Edited by Admin, : Add another item.
Edited by Admin, : Clarify member rating equation.
Edited by Admin, : Add para about next stage of this feature.
Edited by Admin, : Add another missing point.
Edited by Admin, : Add another forgotten point.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Change a "thumbs up" to "thumbs-down" in bullet point #4.

--Percy
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Dr Adequate
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Message 141 of 533 (626822)
07-31-2011 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Admin
07-31-2011 1:48 PM


Re: New Message Rating System
I don't like it.
Unless I missed something, and I can't go back to check, it seems that I can't see message ratings or member ratings until I cast my first vote. Can anyone else confirm this?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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fearandloathing
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Message 142 of 533 (626824)
07-31-2011 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Dr Adequate
07-31-2011 2:22 PM


Re: New Message Rating System
confirmed
It may cause a few problems when some people see who rated them bad maybe? Anonymity might not be a bad thing, we will see.
Someone has to rate an up or down on the person you want to see, I gave you an up, refreshed and your rating showed up, I went back and hit up again cancelling it and now you can still see your rating....also tried it on a few more, wouldn't work for Jar though??
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Jon
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Message 143 of 533 (626827)
07-31-2011 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Admin
07-31-2011 1:48 PM


Re: New Message Rating System
Member rating values can range between plus and minus 100.
Does that mean your 66.7 is overall negative or overall positive? They seem to be showing up for me as plus or minus zero.
I'm still confused on the equation Before my rating was about a 3 and I think yours was a 4; now I'm -26.7 and you are +66.7. The relationship of the new ratings seems entirely different than the relationship of the old ratings, even though they are supposed to be based on the old numbers, no?
ABE:
If I select a down rating and then deselect it, the thumbs-down buttons disappear for all the posts on the forums.
It might even disappear after the initial down rating, but I didn't check that when I did the first down rating.
/ABE
Jon
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Message 144 of 533 (626828)
07-31-2011 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Dr Adequate
07-31-2011 2:22 PM


Re: New Message Rating System
Dr Adequate writes:
Unless I missed something, and I can't go back to check, it seems that I can't see message ratings or member ratings until I cast my first vote. Can anyone else confirm this?
I reset all the member ratings. They'll be recalculated the first time someone votes for one of their messages.
But you should always be able to see message ratings in the form of thumbs-up or thumbs-down icons. For example, if you view Message 316, don't you see three thumbs-up and one thumbs-down?
Here's a little more detail about member ratings. Only their most recent messages count, up to 90 days old. If they posted more than 500 messages during that period then only their most recent 500 messages are considered.

--Percy
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Jon
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Message 145 of 533 (626829)
07-31-2011 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Admin
07-31-2011 3:09 PM


Re: New Message Rating System
I reset all the member ratings. They'll be recalculated the first time someone votes for one of their messages.
But you should always be able to see message ratings in the form of thumbs-up or thumbs-down icons. For example, if you view Message 316, don't you see three thumbs-up and one thumbs-down?
But the actual number doesn't show up until after we cast a vote. Or is that what you mean when you say they are calculated the first time someone votes for one of their messages?
I cannot see my own rating on the forum; perhaps if someone rates this message, I'll see the rating?
Jon

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Jon
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Message 146 of 533 (626830)
07-31-2011 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Jon
07-31-2011 3:13 PM


Re: New Message Rating System
Edit button just vanished; I guess I can see my own rating; nevermind on that.
But I cannot see anyone else's except who I vote for.

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Message 147 of 533 (626831)
07-31-2011 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by Jon
07-31-2011 3:01 PM


Re: New Message Rating System
Jon writes:
If I select a down rating and then deselect it, the thumbs-down buttons disappear for all the posts on the forums.
Uh-oh, a Homer moment. (Doh!) I forgot to mention earlier, so let me shout for a minute:
Click on refresh/reload so that the latest Javascript and CSS files are loaded. Otherwise the new message rating system will not work properly for you.
I'm still confused on the equation Before my rating was about a 3 and I think yours was a 4; now I'm -26.7 and you are +66.7. The relationship of the new ratings seems entirely different than the relationship of the old ratings, even though they are supposed to be based on the old numbers, no?
While the new rating values are based upon the old rating values, they aren't the same. For example, people who liked your posts might have given them 5's, and they became a +1, while people who didn't like your posts might have given them 2's, and they became -1.
But more significant is the change in the equation. Now it's a measure of what proportion of people voting for your messages give them a net positive rating. The total range from -100 to 100 is 200, and your current rating of 20 means that there's a 20 percentage point difference between the number of people who like versus dislike your posts, or a 40/60 split.
I'll give your message a thumbs-up!

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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Message 148 of 533 (626832)
07-31-2011 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Jon
07-31-2011 3:15 PM


Re: New Message Rating System
Also forgot to mention that members have to receive votes from at least five different people (they can be for the same message or different messages, doesn't matter) before they're given a rating.

--Percy
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Message 149 of 533 (626835)
07-31-2011 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Admin
07-31-2011 3:09 PM


Re: New Message Rating System
Here's a little more detail about member ratings. Only their most recent messages count, up to 90 days old. If they posted more than 500 messages during that period then only their most recent 500 messages are considered.
I like that.

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Jon
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Message 150 of 533 (626860)
07-31-2011 4:55 PM
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07-31-2011 3:26 PM


Re: New Message Rating System
Click on refresh/reload so that the latest Javascript and CSS files are loaded. Otherwise the new message rating system will not work properly for you.
It is working well on my other computer now. I will close out my browser and open it back up later to see if that fixes it on the computer I made the original post from; for now a simple refresh doesn't seem to be doing the trick, but the problem is clearly on my side.
ABE:
Clear cache fixed it.
Jon
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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