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Author Topic:   Claims made by IamJoseph regarding Evolution and Darwin
Butterflytyrant
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07-29-2011 6:39 AM


The following are claims made by IamJoseph.
They are mostly from debates I have had with him but some are from other debates where people have advised they have not received an answer. He asked me to start the threads on whatever I wanted him to discuss in more detail.
I cannot seem to make head or tail of most of IamJosephs claims and he is making some claims that are outside my field.
Would it be possible for individuals who know about the subject matter to respond to these claims?
IamJoseph, here are the statements you have made that I wish to discuss.
Claims regarding the Theory of Evolution and Darwin -
All of Darwin's premises become a direct lift-off from Genesis!
We accept evolution; but this is a direct lift-off from Genesis - every facet of ToE can be seen here. Where Darwin listed life form groups by skeletal structure, Genesis lists them by terrain: non-mobile vegetation; sea borne, air, land based, speech endowed - this is the first 'recording' of life form groupings, in categories more fundamental than skeletal and dna. Insects, bacteria and virus are also catered to.
While ToE lists the environment as the impacter, Genesis claims this as the seed of the host parents, able to transmit data and form new combinations of the same specie [kind], with the ability to continue the program embedded in the seed output: this is new and exremely advanced of its times. Even cross-speciation is catered to in Genesis: life forms from the same terrain can follow their kind; this allows a human to evolve from another land based animal. So what is new with ToE not seen in Genesis - I'm listening? While these amazing stats are mostly ridiculed, I chalenge anyone to put forth a better, earlier description.
Genesis was the first - This includes evolution.
Today's science accepts evolution - this comes from Genesis, not from Darwin!
Species [Kinds]. The first recording of life form groupings and sub-groupings are now introduced for the first time, categorised via terrain and habitat, as opposed to skeletal features and fossils, namely as vegetation, water borne, air borne, land borne, speech endowed kinds. In these verses 'ALL' of the factors mentioned in Darwinian evolution can be found, including DNA and cross-speciation of the life forms belonging to the same terrain. The variance with Darwin is that all life stemmed from one life - while Genesis posits that each specie was specifically designed and they appeared in their completed forms, derived solely from the seed and have no impact from the environment.
Also in this first creation chapter is the premise that all life was initiated in a positive/negative gender duality, then separated as independent positive and negative genders. Darwin does not explain the gender variances, nor accounts the pivotal factor of the host seed. My personal vew is that Genesis is better aligned with real science and evidenced reality.
Evolution does NOT explain existing data - there is an X factor applying. Evolution comes from genesis - every small detail of it.
Evolution is a later development in the universe, preceded by a host of factors which anticipate life [Genesis].
Creationism is far superior and a far greater science, with no alternatives applying. When one delves into the scenario presented in ToE, they will find grotesque non-science as its base.
The Hebrew bible introduced species, evolution and laws which turn humanity's institutions, and these should not be distorted as ToE. At least, one cannot omit the Hebrew bible from these faculties and remain scientifically credible in a British or any ither classroom.
had evolution been a credible premise, the other older life forms [thus more advanced than us] would have long ago made their presence known. You loose.
evolution was introduced in Genesis, covering every aspect of it more comprehensively, including cross-speciation.
every aspect of Darwin's notions of species is already contained in Genesis, and more comprehensively and scientifically posited. Darwin, a religious Christian, was reading and responding what is in genesis; his folly was that he observed a process at work and shouted Eureka! no processor here. Darwin made no other contribution other than exciting atheists.
These are great errors in Darwinism which cannot be classified as scientific. The followers of ToE improvised these glitches with novel and fantastic manipulations and inventions - none of which are scientifically based or witnessed before us today.
Evolution is nothing other than the wiring in a directive program. Nature is nothing other than a metaphor of what is inexplicable. Acknowledging a universe maker is not an unscientific premise; its rejection is.
The seed factor is absolutely not negotiable and underlies all things. We find that even ToE's speciation does not work w/o the seed factor, and the only premise ToE can prove itself. Contrastingly, all repro is via the seed, including dna and skeletal imprints - and this process functions w/o the ToE factors, bypassing the millions of years time factor and all else.
Asexual = a subjective view. There is a seed even in inorganic matter. Nothing happends without the seed, which contains the data to continue. The principle is exactly the same in a life form repro.
Genesis marks the first chronological listing of life forms, from where Darwin got his ToE. This listing is correct, namely fish, fowl, animals, humans. This list is more comprehensive than any other, and includes the vital pre-separation of the elements, required for life, namely the separation of water/land; day/night; etc., with representations for mammals, insects [creepy crawlies], bacteria and virus [swarms]. the genesis description must cater to all genrations of mankind in its understanding; thus even quarks are represented ['dust']. The species are also better represented than in ToE, which cast humans along with animals, by focusing only on the skeletal and biological imprints - thereby totally ignoring the most powerful factor of speech. Genesis correctly seperates the species ['kinds'] by allocating speech endowed humans varied from all other life firms. This is vindicated: despite the premise of ToE's adaptation and speciation, no other life form has evolved to acquire speech for 4.5 B years - speech being the single most powerful factor for any life form, and this despite that animals and birds are older, and possess a far more dexterious array of sound pitch criteria.
Genesis is 100% vindicated.

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