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Son
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Message 48 of 1273 (515701)
07-20-2009 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by traderdrew
07-20-2009 2:01 PM


Re: What is Intelligent Design?
I think I didn't make my intentions very clear but if I asked all those questions, it was to have a clear picture of what ID studies. So if you could give me a summary of what you think about it, it would be nice.
Moreover it doesn't contradict Evolution and only adds one mechanism that to it so I fail to see why it's a rival theory to Evolution so maybe I missed something? It also doesn't have the same scale as Evolution, if true, it would only be a part of it.

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Son
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Message 1251 of 1273 (621467)
06-26-2011 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1249 by Chuck77
06-26-2011 5:55 AM


First, there's no trick questions. I asked questions this way because I asked under the assumption that I.D was a rival theory to evolution, meaning that I expected I.D to explain the same things (or more) that evolution does. Obviously, a scientific theory doesn't depend on the existence of its rivals so I don't see why you need to use evolution to explain ID. After all, the theory of evolution(TOE) is not saying "ID" is false so evolution is true.
What I expected was an "history of life" through an ID explanation. The reason I asked for the age of the earth was to have some sort of timeline. If the TOE just said "I don't see any other way so life must have evolved", it wouldn't explain anything.
As for what the designer designed, you're trying to say that he designed me? I never saw him designing any babies in my life so how did he do it? When and how did he intervene in my birth?
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Son
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Message 1256 of 1273 (626737)
07-31-2011 4:48 AM
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07-30-2011 11:05 PM


To add from Coyote, could you tell me more by answering some questions in the OP?
For example, what is ID's "history of life"?
Meaning who is the designer, what did he design (species? families? genus? something else?). How did it come from the things it designed to what we have now?
I would only need a very rough description, but something that would be enough to be described as a scientific theory.

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Son
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Message 1263 of 1273 (628162)
08-07-2011 6:26 AM
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08-07-2011 12:23 AM


Re: Explaining ID
How does that answer my OP? What you're describing can be at best considered an hypothesis. You need to develope it in order to be able to consider it a scientific theory. The only thing you said was that something looked too complex so it must be designed, but by what? how? You could give a rough idea of a history of life according to ID and give some mechanisms, that would be a good start.

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Son
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Message 1268 of 1273 (628389)
08-09-2011 9:31 AM


The question I asked when I started this thread was simple enough I thought. Despite that, so far, I've seen noone answer me with a description of ID that would ressemble a theory in a scientific sense (that would rival Evolution), at best I got an hypothesis. I didn't even ask for any evidence or details but even a rough sketch of some ID theory seemed impossible to get.
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