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Author Topic:   What exactly is ID?
Taq
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Message 1243 of 1273 (552124)
03-26-2010 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1242 by Smooth Operator
03-26-2010 3:47 PM


Re: Numbers
1.) Any intelligent agent can produce a nested hierarchy. It doesn't have to but it can. Saying that there is no reason that there should be a nested hierarchy if ID is ture, is, well... true. But that doesn't mean anything.
What it means is that ID makes no prediction as to the pattern of homology in living species or in the fossil record. Evolution does make a prediction.
2.) Since everyone knows that ERVs insert themselves in certain hotspots, and since we know that some ERVs prefer certain hotspots to others, there is no reason to think that we can't explain any ERV with hotspot insertion.
You still need to address how many hotspots there are (hint: 1.5 billion).
You also need to address Fig. 1 in this paper which shows thousands and thousands of retroviral insertions that occurred in every chromosome and at different bases. Also, you need to discuss how mutational hotspots can explain LTR divergence and overall ERV divergence. You also need to explain how insertional hotspots can produce a nested hierarchy.
4.) Evolution and ID can both be true. Therefore, this whole discussion was more or less meaningless.
The question is what evidence, if found, would falsify ID?

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Message 1264 of 1273 (628300)
08-08-2011 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1260 by Portillo
08-07-2011 12:23 AM


Re: Explaining ID
If the simplest forms of life have so much complex information, it can be argued that it is the result of an intelligent mind.
Two mistakes. First, you are pointing to organisms that are products of over 3 billion years of evolution as "the simplest forms of life". Obviously, that is seriously wrong. The simplest forms of life would have been the first life, not the life that is at the 3 billion year end of a natural process that produces information in genomes (i.e. evolution).
Second, you never offer evidence of a designer. Instead, we just get an open ended question. That really doesn't help much.
Would you ever believe me if I told you that my encyclopedia set created itself or would you insist that there was a designer?
If encyclopedias reproduced and did so imperfectly while being subject to natural selection, no I wouldn't believe you.
A living cell is much more complicated and ingenious than any manmade machine.
Perhaps that's because manmade machines did not evolve.
The reason intelligent design isnt considered science "is because of the materialistic and naturalistic philosophy that dominates culture. It is presupposed. Many scientists who dissent from this worldview have experienced intense hostility and persecution."
They face hostility because they dissent from the theory of evolution because of their religious beliefs, not because of the evidence. That hostility is well earned.

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