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Author Topic:   The Twins Paradox and the speed of light
fearandloathing
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Message 141 of 230 (628875)
08-13-2011 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Maartenn100
08-13-2011 3:05 PM


Hi and welcome,
Maartenn100 writes:
ok, but when you are just leaving earth with an escapevelocity, the object 'Earth' begins to move more and more. Because you are escaping gravity. So you will see the Earth turning around.
When you are on the launch pad you are still in earths reference frame, As soon as you launch you are in a new one, the rockets. As you gain altitude you may or may not notice the earth turning depending on lots of things, from a geostationary orbit you would always be over the same place, if you were on your way to the moon you would notice the earth turn because you would be in a separate frame of reference independent of the rotational motion of the earth. It is all relative to what frame of reference you are using.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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fearandloathing
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Message 143 of 230 (628883)
08-13-2011 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Maartenn100
08-13-2011 5:06 PM


The twin on earth is accelerating too, in circles.
Please explain. What is causing the earths rotation to increase? Maybe I don't understand you... Is it really accelerating?....Or is the increase in your velocity causing it to appear to you not to match your clock? Gravity is really a moot point, your velocity on the spaceship is what truly makes a difference.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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fearandloathing
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Message 167 of 230 (629065)
08-15-2011 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Maartenn100
08-15-2011 10:26 AM


Re: gravitational theory of relativity
Hi M,
In gravitational relativity, your acceleration is always an acceleration to escape gravity
You only need to accelerate to around 27,500 Mph to escape earths gravity, there is no need to accelerate past that.
So while doing this, the object where you are moving away from is accelerating too.
How is this true? The earth spins no faster, or orbits any faster because you left.
So the twin on earth begins to spin while you are accelerating outside Earth’s gravity.
No, his spin is the same as when you were on the launch pad. Earth is an inertial frame, while you accelerate you are in a non-inertial frame and when you stop accelerating at say 27,500 Mph you become an inertial frame also. You seem a bit confused about this?
Lets agree on this before we move on??

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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fearandloathing
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Message 175 of 230 (629101)
08-15-2011 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Maartenn100
08-15-2011 5:53 PM


Re: gravitational theory of relativity
Hi M,
Euhm, are you from another world?
No need to be a smartass.
When you are leaving Earth and you are above Earth. Do you see the Earth rotation yes or no?
Yes you do, but you see the same rate of rotation on earth....day/night.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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