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IamJoseph
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Message 91 of 182 (629150)
08-16-2011 5:55 AM


Let someone answer which is the first record of medicine, separating this faculty from the occult, and also introducing the concept of infectious virus, contagious bacteria, quarantine, treatment and ID of malignancies. This will show how ignorant creationists are, right? Have a go!
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Panda
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Message 92 of 182 (629154)
08-16-2011 6:16 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by IamJoseph
08-15-2011 10:39 PM


IamJoseph writes:

the word seed is placed in such a context there is no alternative meaning in the verse, 'A SEED SHALL FOLLOW ITS OWN KIND';


I looked up this verse that you like to shout.
It doesn't seem to exist.

There are several results in google - but they are all links to you shouting about seeds.

Whatever Bible you think you are quoting from: it appears to only be in your head.
Which also explains why it makes so little sense.


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Panda
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Message 93 of 182 (629155)
08-16-2011 6:27 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by IamJoseph
08-16-2011 5:41 AM


Re: more of the same from IamJoseph
IamJoseph writes:


Butterflytyrant writes:

take these two animals - Mosquito, and penguin.

Where do they fit into your 'kinds'?


Absolutely...

Try again. This time, try to answer the question.

Where do mosquitoes fit into your 'kinds'?
Are they land kind; are they water kind or are the airborne kind?

Edited by Panda, : Simplified


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Parasomnium
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Message 94 of 182 (629158)
08-16-2011 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by IamJoseph
08-16-2011 2:58 AM


"Popular" arguments
IamJoseph writes:

If Australian aboriginals are 60K years old, their popilation would be at least 5 trillion.

If you base your rejection of 60,000 years on the ridiculousness of the population size of 5 trillion, then you should also reconsider, based on the population if mice, an age of 6000 years for the earth. With a current world population of about 4 billion mice it is obvious that the world could not have been created before August 27, 2009.


"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

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Pressie
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Message 95 of 182 (629159)
08-16-2011 7:45 AM
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08-16-2011 2:58 AM


IamJoseph writes:

That's bunk and bogus, based on the age of the cave - not the painting. Colour was not invented in writings till 5,500 years ago, and it came from India. Check the population and mental prowess grads of your cave painters again. If Australian aboriginals are 60K years old, their popilation would be at least 5 trillion. Bite the bullet - your dates have no proof nor any graduating imprints; the Hebrew bible has, wth no vacuous gaps.

I can show that IamJoseph is a Eurocentric racist. He does not tell the truth.

Just have a look at San Paintings . Twenty six thousand years old. In colour. The paintings, not the cave.

I know that it doesn’t help to engage in a rational conversation with him, but I can show other people that he is not telling the truth.

Edited by Pressie, : I called IamJoseph just Joseph. Changed that.


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IamJoseph
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Message 96 of 182 (629161)
08-16-2011 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Panda
08-16-2011 6:27 AM


Re: more of the same from IamJoseph
'Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let fowl fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.'

That says a transit sea life form can adapt to a bird - the word 'and' indicates that.


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IamJoseph
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Message 97 of 182 (629162)
08-16-2011 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by Parasomnium
08-16-2011 7:27 AM


Re: "Popular" arguments
Population is based on the time factor, and 60K years would give a population greater than the world by a ratio of ten with compounding increments. The claim is bogus.
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IamJoseph
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Message 98 of 182 (629163)
08-16-2011 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Panda
08-16-2011 6:27 AM


Re: more of the same from IamJoseph
Do you require more time to admit the first listing of life form groupings is Genesis?
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IamJoseph
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Message 99 of 182 (629166)
08-16-2011 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Pressie
08-16-2011 7:45 AM


quote:
I can show that IamJoseph is a Eurocentric racist. He does not tell the truth.
Just have a look at San Paintings . Twenty six thousand years old. In colour. The paintings, not the cave.

I know that it doesn’t help to engage in a rational conversation with him, but I can show other people that he is not telling the truth.


A rational mind would ask rational questions. If a human 'painted' a ddrawing of what appears a man made item 30,000 years ago, the following rational factors apply:

1. That humans had previous to this time developed speech, language, agriculture and technical know how of color usage [remember the painting has a red domesticated bison]. Maybe 20K years previously. We have no imprints of any of those factors throughout that period of 20K years.

2. The same issue as above is also seen from the 30K point upto the present time: no graduated or any other kind of imprints in 30K years [discounting the last 6000 years which are recorded as history].

3. The last 6000 years says imprints are continuous of a graduating humanity in advancement and population. But we find a great anomoly with a painting falsely promoted as 30K years old - without a shred of rational surrounding evidence.

Which part do you have rational answers to justify - 1 or 2, or both? When did the next silimar color painting occur - 5000 years ago?


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Parasomnium
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Message 100 of 182 (629167)
08-16-2011 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by IamJoseph
08-16-2011 8:10 AM


Re: "Popular" arguments
IamJoseph writes:

Population is based on the time factor, and 60K years would give a population greater than the world by a ratio of ten with compounding increments.

What I am trying to tell you is that your own argument, when applied to the population of mice, rules out a world older than two years.

What you fail to see is that simplistic calculations can be grossly misleading.


"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

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Pressie
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Message 101 of 182 (629168)
08-16-2011 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by IamJoseph
08-16-2011 8:24 AM


Word salads again. No word salad is going to hand wave your untrue statement of
IamJoseph writes:

Colour was not invented in writings till 5,500 years ago, and it came from India.

away. No matter how many words you use. You simply were not telling the truth.
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IamJoseph
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Message 102 of 182 (629171)
08-16-2011 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Parasomnium
08-16-2011 8:48 AM


Re: "Popular" arguments
quote:
What I am trying to tell you is that your own argument, when applied to the population of mice, rules out a world older than two years.


That does not sound like clean math. Mice and virus multiply at different rates. But we have only one yard stick for human population, and this is the past 6000 years which are recorded and evidenced, factoring all deaths by natural courses and un-natural ones. Further, population growth or de-growth, fast or slow, both leave graduated imprints. These are the factors which anti-creationists do not like at all, resorting to novel fantasies presented as science - its all dolled up like another theology.

Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.


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IamJoseph
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Message 103 of 182 (629172)
08-16-2011 9:01 AM
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08-16-2011 8:48 AM


I base my statement on the fact the Pyramids were once colored with red paintings, which was imported from India. This says this technology was not in the middle-east, which was then far more advanced than Europe was. Rocket science applies.
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caffeine
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Message 104 of 182 (629173)
08-16-2011 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by IamJoseph
08-16-2011 8:10 AM


Re: "Popular" arguments
Population is based on the time factor, and 60K years would give a population greater than the world by a ratio of ten with compounding increments. The claim is bogus.

The rate of change in population over time is the result of the ratio of how many people are being born and how many people are dying. If more people are being born than are dying, then the population will increase. If more people are dying than are being born, then the population will decrease. You seem to believe this ratio must be fixed, since you claim a population must increase by a particular set amount over a set time period. A little bit of thought will see that this can't be the case.

Imagine we have a population with a particular birth/death ratio. Suddenly, a new disease appears, which causes approximately 1,000 extra deaths a year. The ratio between births and deaths is thus changed, and the rate of change in population size will also change. Conversely, if somebody invented a cure for a disease that was a common cause of death, the death rate would decrease and the ratio would again change, once more changing the rate of population change.

Given that death rates and birth rates can be contingent on all sorts of different factors, there cannot be one set rate of increase which will apply to all times and all situations.

If the argument doesn't convince you, just look at the actual world around you. According to the estimates used by the CIA World Factbook, the rate of population change (including migration) ranges from an increase of 3.69% per year in Burundi and the UAE, to a decrease of 7.08% per year in the Northern Mariana Islands.

There is clearly no standard rate of change - we can only look at the specifics of a situation to figure out how quickly (and in what direction), we'd expect population to be changing. Australia, without the benefit of modern agriculture and imports from abroad, lacked the resources in food and water to support more than a couple of million people. It doesn't matter how quickly people were born, since they'd just starve to death.


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IamJoseph
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Message 105 of 182 (629175)
08-16-2011 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by Pressie
08-16-2011 8:48 AM


Perhaps the last sentence in this quote will impact:

quote:

The 30,000-Year-Old Cave That Descends Into Hell
There's a cave in France where no humans have been in 26,000 years. The walls are full of fantastic, perfectly-preserved paintings of animals, ending in a chamber full of monsters 1312-feet underground, where CO2 and radon gas concentrations provoke hallucinations.

It's called the the Chauvet-Pont-d'Arc Cave, a really weird and mysterious place. The walls contain hundreds of animals—like the typical Paleolithic horses and bisons—but some of them are not supposed to be there, like lions, panthers, rhinos and hyenas.

http://gizmodo.com/...+year+old-cave-that-descends-into-hell



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