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Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
quote: I am in no way inconsistant. I stated that we have no observable evidence of a greater being, a god, or of planet eating turtles ravaging the cosmos. As there is no obsevable data in support of a god, I doubt in the existance of such a being. How can I have knowledge of something we have no evidence for?
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7884 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
I quite agree... I've asked this question for a while now and all I get are non-answers... "god is good, god is love, god is perfect, etc."...
---those are answers I'd like someone to explain to me how god can be "everywhere", ie., omnipresent, and yet as a strong atheist, I have to go looking for him across the far corners of the known universe. Is god in hiding? ---If you saw him you wouldnt have to have faith anymore, it wouldnt require anything on your part. What I want to know is how god can be claimed to be omniscient, "he knows what you're going to do", and we can still pretend we have free will?---Humans are very very predictable What I want to know is how can an "all loving" (omnibenevolent?) god tolerate the cruelty and vileness that are embodied by some aspects of humanity?---He doesnt tolerate it but he still loves us. here's what i believe- the universe, or cosmos, which may be composed of millions of universes, is infinite... it had no beginning, and will have no end... thus it had no creation, and therefore no creator...--that requires as much faith as Christianity does, probably more faith actually. Actually its uncertain if the universe is unlimited and im sure if the big bang just happened then itll end just as soon and their goes everything science has accomplished with it. Hmmm... You might want to pick up the April '02 issue of Discover magazine for the article "Guth's Grand Guess" pp32.Inflationary theory is, based on recent observations, pretty much the dominant Big Bang theory right now. I liked this line, "The primordial "stuff" of inflation, he and other cosmologists contend, is very likely a spontaneous creation, a no-strings gift that boiled out of absolutely nowhere by means of an utterly random but nontheless scientifically possible process." And, "All matter plus all gravity in the observable universe equals zero. So the universe could come from nothing because it is, fundamentally, nothing." ---Thats feasable, ive always thought our souls were on a different plane of existence. //so why do we need a god?//To comfort us in our fears and to try to explain the "unexplainable" to people unable to grasp complex concepts. ---we need God because he is God and because he is love and he is. //if we stopped thinking in such geocentric dimensions, maybe we'd realize how small we are...//If you shrink the earth the the size of a cue ball the earth would smoother than the surface of the cue ball. The entire ecosystem of the earth extends from roughly 100 miles up to about 20 miles below the surface. Dunk that cue ball in a muddy, algae-ladden puddle of water and whatever sticks is pretty much the earth. Its all about scale. ---We are insignificant when compared to our Creator And Savior. ------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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quicksink Inactive Member |
quote: when did i bring up the issue of god? compared to the universe, we are indescirbably small. you did not address that issue in the slightest.
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Punisher Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzal:
[b] quote: quote: I'm picking up trace amounts of sarcasm and condecension. Oh wait, I've identified it; an insult. Your well thought out post is a prime example of what I thought to be a simple observation/assumption. You took letters and placed them together to form words, you spaced the words at certain intervals in order to get sentence structure. The information from your post did not come from the computer or the keyboard; it came from you inputting intelligence and information the result being an ordered and complex insult in english language expressed in written form. BTW, pour me a drink too.
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quicksink Inactive Member |
punisher
you're really starting to get aggressive. but since you're right, give me a solid, indisputable piece of evidence that discounts the possibilty that god does not exist. one piece of evidence that would make stephen hawking gape. that's your challenge. but maybe you'd like a drink first.
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Punisher Inactive Member |
quote: I apologize if I insulted anyone. I'll take that drink; care to join me? QS: first answer this question: There are three basic types of agnostics. I wonder which kind you are. The first says, `I don't know, but I wish I did.' The second says, `I don't know, and I don't care.' The last says, `I don't know, you don't know, and nobody can know.
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: How about type 4:"I don't know, you don't know, nobody can know and I really don`t give a damm what you think provided you accept what I think as being a valid alternative..."?
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Punisher Inactive Member |
first answer this question: There are three basic types of agnostics. I wonder which kind you are.
The first says, `I don't know, but I wish I did.' The second says, `I don't know, and I don't care.' The last says, `I don't know, you don't know, and nobody can know. QS: You skipped this question. Care to comment?
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Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
quote: Course you could be in the atheist camp, in which those questions are meaningless. They have meaning to you because you believe in an all mighty being. However, if we take something, say, like Giagantic Pink Space Bunnies of DOOM that go around comsuming stars, we both probably can agree there is no such thing ( there is a possibility, but it passes the absurd, and has no proof to support its existance.) I could ask you about the Death Bunnies OF DOOM (we will call them DBD for short ; ) Well, how do you feel about the DBD's?Do you say....... a.)I don't know, but I wish I did. b.)I don't know, and I don't care. c.)I don't know, you don't know, and nobody can know. or d.)What kind of crack are you smoking? You need some mental help! (then shake your head, wish the person asking you such a silly a question the best, and go on your merry way.)
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quicksink Inactive Member |
can i add a d?
i am an atheist who believes that the universe was created through a natural process. i do not believe that there had to be a creator. simple. now again- where is your evidence?
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7884 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
wheres yours?
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Solid Snake Inactive Member |
I don't necesarily consider myself an athiest, but putting blind faith in "The creator" seems a little ludicrus to me. The entire bases for your train of thought is very primitive. Your own fear of your own insignificance causes you to blindly put your faith in God. When in fact, your inability to comprehend any natural forces capable of creating a universe adds to it. And you simply state "Oh well it can't be done, ther must be a god!"
Just because of a lack of understanding of science, you just assume that there must be a greater force simply because science cannot fully back up it's theories. If you recall several ancient civilizations did the same thing. Anything they could not explain, they simply blamed on the Gods. Keep in mind, I am not a full athiest. I beleive there is a logical balance between creation and science. It obvious many of you will get angry reading, but just think about why that is. You certainly would'nt care about my gullability. Is it possible this makes sense and your doubting your own beliefs? ------------------"There is no true reality. Things are only as real as your mind says it is. You have to find something to believe in, something worth fighting for, and pass it on to future generations." ~~David Hayter |
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quicksink Inactive Member |
quote: you're starting to get the point KP- both of us have no evidence yet let me raise this point- science has never found anything supernatural humanity has never witnesses a major supernatural event. so far, we have explained everything from tornadoes to stars as natural abojects ruled by natural laws.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Sorry, Punisher said this in reply to you, and I was replying to Punisher but I left this bit of his message at the end of my reply. I do not question why you are an athiest.
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7884 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
theyre are still things that are unexplained and are paranormal. such as ghosts and ufos but lets not go down that road.
------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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