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Author Topic:   General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List')
Coyote
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Message 181 of 1049 (629607)
08-18-2011 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by fearandloathing
08-18-2011 6:21 PM


Re: Moose said
Thank you to everyone for their support.
And thanks also to Moose for reconsidering.

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Buzsaw
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Message 182 of 1049 (629609)
08-18-2011 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Coyote
08-18-2011 9:37 PM


Re: Isn't It Great?
Coyote writes:
Thank you to everyone for their support.
And thanks also to Moose for reconsidering.
I wouldn't know, but I imagine it's great being one of the good ole boys here at EvC getting all of that support for legitimate whines.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 183 of 1049 (629647)
08-19-2011 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by hooah212002
08-18-2011 2:04 AM


Re: Coyote booted from Coffee House
Bit much, innit? I didn't think EvC was a place that stifled dissenting views...
I would love to see quality conservative political perspective in the political topics, and as a minority perspective such would probably get enhanced administrative protection, something along the lines of what the creationist side gets. Coyote's political messages, however, have been essentially nothing but trollish. All flame and whine, with little to no content.
Or something like that.
For the record, Coyote's "Coffee House" permissions have been restored.
Adminnemooseus

Please be familiar with the various topics and other links in the "Essential Links", found in the top of the page menu. Amongst other things, this is where to find where to report various forum problems.

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Buzsaw
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Message 184 of 1049 (629785)
08-19-2011 10:56 PM


Buzsaw Banned From Biblically Related Threads
I have requested that Admin grant me the privilege of posting in Biblically related threads, such as the accuracy and inerrancy of the Bible, etc.
Admin has doggedly refused to grant permission for me in any forum in science.
Is there any other admins here at EvC who will agree with me that this is being too stringent, in that Biblical related topics have always been my forte? AdminSleve, AdminPurple, Modulous, Adminnemooseous (abe: Admin Asgara): any of you, who might work on my behalf so as to enable me to participate in threads that have little to do with the nuts and bolts of the scientific method?
The following are the forums to which I allude:
The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy
Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men?
Intelligent Design
Is evidence of the divine apparent in the design of nature itself?
Topics in Creation/Evolution
(thread example)Subjective Evidence of Gods Miscellaneous
Edited by Buzsaw, : Add Admn Asgara to list

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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AdminPD
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Message 185 of 1049 (629817)
08-20-2011 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by Buzsaw
08-19-2011 10:56 PM


Re: Buzsaw Banned From Biblically Related Threads
Unfortunately for you, your banishment was made by the owner of the board.
There is no higher power to appeal to. Sorry.
You need to take a look at your debate style and the issues he has with it.
AdminPD

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Admin
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Message 186 of 1049 (629819)
08-20-2011 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by Buzsaw
08-19-2011 10:56 PM


Re: Buzsaw Banned From Biblically Related Threads
Hi Buz,
I saw AdminPD's response, and while she's correct that I'm the final arbiter, I don't want to be a dictator. Decisions by myself or any moderator should be rational, proportionate and unbiased.
You're restricted from evidence-based threads because your participation distracts from the thread's topic. The thread's other participants begin requesting evidence from you. You claim that what you're providing *is* evidence. It's explained why it isn't evidence. The pattern continues and the thread's topic is ignored.
I know that Wyatt's theories interest you, and if you'd like to discuss them why don't you go to a board whose idea of what constitutes evidence is more congruent with your own?

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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Buzsaw
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Message 187 of 1049 (629853)
08-20-2011 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Admin
08-20-2011 8:57 AM


Re: Buzsaw Banned From Biblically Related Threads
Admin writes:
Hi Buz,
I saw AdminPD's response, and while she's correct that I'm the final arbiter, I don't want to be a dictator. Decisions by myself or any moderator should be rational, proportionate and unbiased.
You're restricted from evidence-based threads because your participation distracts from the thread's topic. The thread's other participants begin requesting evidence from you. You claim that what you're providing *is* evidence. It's explained why it isn't evidence. The pattern continues and the thread's topic is ignored.
I know that Wyatt's theories interest you, and if you'd like to discuss them why don't you go to a board whose idea of what constitutes evidence is more congruent with your own?
Admin, LOL on me posting acceptable evidence pertaining to anything depicting the existence of the supernatural.
I cite equally as much (often much more) evidence as many of my counterparts do. The Exodus evidence is a good example. Jar and a few et Al's, simply keep on keeping on demanding evidence, no matter how much I cite. They know, full well, that they have your ear and that you will back them. You, both as Admin and member, in fact, were one of the et al's in that regard.
My antagonists got what they wanted from you; to get their effective opposition silenced.
Where is there any balance? Balderdash was right. There is none. We need a bolder dash on behalf of creationists than what we have if we ever approach any resemblance of balance in moderation.
I am thick skinned and can live with the stats quo, but not without some constructive criticism so as to afford a more balanced environment for debate.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 188 of 1049 (629856)
08-20-2011 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by AdminPD
08-20-2011 8:13 AM


Re: Buzsaw Banned From Biblically Related Threads
AdminPD writes:
Unfortunately for you, your banishment was made by the owner of the board.
There is no higher power to appeal to. Sorry.
You need to take a look at your debate style and the issues he has with it.
AdminPD
If you recall, AdminPD I was once a moderator, advocating on behalf of various members, some evolutionists, in PAF.
I know that, though in PAF you are not the final authority, moderators are allowed and expected to express opinions on behalf of members pertaining to issues that arise.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Message 189 of 1049 (629859)
08-20-2011 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Buzsaw
08-20-2011 2:48 PM


Re: Buzsaw Banned From Biblically Related Threads
Hi Buz,
I was only trying to give you constructive feedback so that, if you choose, you can use it to return to participation in the science forums. But your reaction was to accuse me of biased moderating and purposeful silencing of opposing views.
You're restricted from the science forums because you cause those threads to go off-topic to argue about whether your evidence is really evidence, not because moderators are opposed to your views on the Exodus. The goal of EvC Forum is constructive debate, and we can't turn every science thread you participate in into an argument over what constitutes valid evidence. If you'd truly like to return to the science forums then why don't you propose a thread to discuss the nature of valid evidence. If you can reach a consensus with other people about evidence then you can return to the science forums.
Buz, sincerely, I could care less about whether the Exodus was real or not. I could care less about whether they crossed the Reed Sea, the Red Sea or the Gulf of Aqaba. I have no strong feelings either way about any religion - you know this because I almost never participate in the religious threads. What possible impact could the Exodus have on evolution, which I do discuss quite a bit?
What is important to me is rational thinking and preventing threads from bogging down, and it is because your participation works against both these goals that you're restricted from the science forums. It has nothing to do with your religious views. Sometimes I think you forget that I am not an atheist. I have no problem with any religion when it comes to matters of faith.

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1467 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 190 of 1049 (629860)
08-20-2011 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Buzsaw
08-20-2011 2:48 PM


Re: Buzsaw Banned From Biblically Related Threads
I cite equally as much (often much more) evidence as many of my counterparts do.
Nobody thinks that's true. Not even the creationists.

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Buzsaw
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Message 191 of 1049 (629868)
08-20-2011 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Admin
08-20-2011 3:45 PM


Re: Buzsaw Banned From Biblically Related Threads
Admin writes:
If you can reach a consensus with other people about evidence then you can return to the science forums.
Admin, do you really think, in your heart of hearts, that any secularistic minded evolutionist such as those who incessantly called for evidence from me in the Exodus threads; who rejected one and all of my examples, will ever acknowledge any claimed and cited evidence of anything depicting the existence of a supernatural realm in the Universe?
Can you show us one example, in all of these past 8 years, of that happening?
I find it necessary to continually remind you that the research to which I alluded was not Ron Wyatt, but usually that of Swedish research scientist, Lennart Moller who performed the research and published his findings, both on land and sea, corroborating the list of evidences so as to support the hypothesis.
If not one bit of scientist Moller's researched evidences is acknowledged by any of you as evidence by definition, what can we expect to achieve by another thread on what constitutes evidence of anything depicting a supernatural entity involved with that evidence?
If you think that is possible, I will propose an evidence OP, but if it accomplishes it's intended goal, it will be a first, so far as I am aware.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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jar
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Message 192 of 1049 (629871)
08-20-2011 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Buzsaw
08-20-2011 5:42 PM


Re: Buzsaw Banned From Biblically Related Threads
Honestly Buz, you have never presented any evidence, never shown that you even know what evidence is, never shown that you have even read the Bible, never shown that you know the difference between TESTIFY (all you have ever presented) and evidence (what you have never presented).
But I still think you should be allowed to continue to post such nonsense.
Every board needs a Simplicio so that Sagredo can compare the arguments to those of Salviati.
And then you continue to assert that it is a conflict between "secularist" and "Theists" which of course is also just more misrepresentation just as claiming that Lennart Mller presented evidence and not just "Testify" is just misrepresentation.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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crashfrog
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Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 193 of 1049 (629872)
08-20-2011 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Buzsaw
08-20-2011 5:42 PM


Re: Buzsaw Banned From Biblically Related Threads
Buz, if this is really all an ideological crusade against you by people like myself who deny the existence of the supernatural, then how do you explain your "evidence problem" in all other threads?
Jon and Coyote, for instance, are both conservatives like you. Why do they then join the chorus of people telling you your "evidence" is no evidence at all, in these political threads? Like your thread about monetary devaluation, for instance.
How do you explain the fact that even the people who agree with you think you have this problem where your "evidence" isn't any kind of evidence at all? Are even the people who agree with you out to get you?
I think a thread where you share your perspective on what evidence is would really be fruitful in correcting many of your misunderstandings, as well as your tendency to be completely credulous of any source at all, just so long as it appears to confirm something you already believe. (This, of course, is always the greatest challenge facing the evaluation of evidence. It's something we all face. We've learned how not to fool ourselves when it comes to evidence. Wouldn't you like to? Don't you think it would decrease the likelihood of you falling for hoaxes and charlatans, like it appears you did in this instance? It's not something to be ashamed of, it happens to all of us. But it happens more to you because you don't seem to learn from it.)
A lot of people are trying to help you. You've enjoyed a considerable amount of latitude here at EvC for a very considerable amount of time. I continue to be surprised by your apparent willingness to repay that help and discretion with accusations.
Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.

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Buzsaw
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Message 194 of 1049 (629896)
08-20-2011 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by crashfrog
08-20-2011 5:56 PM


Re: Buzsaw Banned From Biblically Related Threads
crashfrog writes:
Jon and Coyote, for instance, are both conservatives like you. Why do they then join the chorus of people telling you your "evidence" is no evidence at all, in these political threads? Like your thread about monetary devaluation, for instance.
It is unlikely either of the above will ever admit to evidence such as what was researched by scientist Moller. They are straw-men examples. Nearly all have vested interest in debunking Moller's evidence, including ICR. ICR (Institution of Creation Research) has their minds set and their criteria published on things related to Ararat and the Red Sea. There's too much at stake for them to re-tool so to speak.
I ask you, Crashfrog; do you really think any of your kind will ever admit to any supernatural evidence? Be honest, now. Can you cite an example in the past years when any secularist minded members have ever acknowledged evidence related to the supernatural?
We all know pretty well, the chances of any admissions, whatsoever, by any of you that any evidence supportive to the supernatural are extremely unlikely. I for-see a thread of futility, more-so than objectivity, but may give it a go when I find time.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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hooah212002
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Message 195 of 1049 (629899)
08-20-2011 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Buzsaw
08-20-2011 9:17 PM


Re: Buzsaw Banned From Biblically Related Threads
Can you cite an example in the past years when any secularist minded members have ever acknowledged evidence related to the supernatural?
If someone were to provide some, sure. However, no one has ever provided any evidence so it's kinda hard to acknowledge something that's not there.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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