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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Harbouring such false insanities has a cost factor. Your so-called prophesy that a church will stand in Jerusalem and Christianity spread large, which is a vile disregard of its criminal flouting of other peoples' rights and land, did not come true: the church was burnt down by Muslims and a huge mosque dumped on it. The Jews returned to their land. Europe is becoming Eurostan. Those who erected a Mosque have their regime states in shambles. Most of all, you cannot prove that writings was made prior to the 4th Century. You have not a shred of dead sea Gospel scrolls. WALK HUMBLY BEFORE YOUR GOD.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Well, the Christian Church is certainly not any prophecy made by Jesus.
It is the creation of Paul. But if you wish to pick a specific prophecy then list the chapter and verse and we will take a look at it and see if it can be supported.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Nazism also flourished in Europe. The greater the followers of evil - the greater the evil looms. "YOU SHALL NOT FOLLOW A CORRUPTED MULTITUDE" [Book of Exodus].
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Again, word salad doesn't tell us much.
The Jews return happened in 538 BCE. There were no popes in 538 BCE.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Harbouring such false insanities has a cost factor. Your so-called prophesy that a church will stand in Jerusalem and Christianity spread large Your confusing a building with people. the people are the body of Christ the Chruch. they met in caves and houses intially. Still the body of Christ As for your last claim here its not even worth the time you took to type it. Open your eyes what is my cost factor?
Most of all, you cannot prove that writings was made prior to the 4th Century. You have not a shred of dead sea Gospel scrolls. Scolarship is a many spendored thing, isnt it? Just because a liberal scholar dates a document after the fact or at a latter date does not mean he is correct You dont really believe you have better evidence for your originals than does the NT, do you? the dead sea scrolls are still removed 1000 years from any orginals, correct? thats a great deal larger than 100 to 200 years. The earliest Christian writes reference or cite those passages i the NT, nearly to completion Dawn Bertot Dawn Bertot
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Iys just as impossibe to talk to a fundy Christian as with a Muslim denying history by shouting statements born of bad beliefs.
You have to prove your charges, you have to prove your prophesies. You cannot. The truth does not set free those who chant death and call it a saving, nor to those who boast of such bad beliefs they've been poisoned with. look closely what is going on in the Islamic world - you may see yourself there too.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Israel Celebrates Diplomatic Victory over Roman Empire.
quote: Why not put the prophesy joke to rest now - seeing the case is won by a margin of manifest blatancy? The Roman Empire was the greatest super power in history. A small privince alone challenegd them - and won. In 1950, Britain and Jordan changed the historical name of Samaria to West Bank, a continuing genocide aspiration of Jews and history, inverting the premise of letting the truth set one free, and the notion of prophey. Europe now wants to change the name of Jerusalem to Al Quds - foresaking even its own theologies if it can hurt Israel. Following depraved Rome with statues all over Europe and boasting how many were massacred is a problem of the murderers and their worshippers - it is not a Godidit thing - look who was holding the swords! Meanile Britainastan and Eurostan is hapening while Christianity and Islam's Jewish problem continues - they happily cut down their own feet with their own swords. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 3571 Joined:
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Well, the Christian Church is certainly not any prophecy made by Jesus. It is the creation of Paul. Some of the reasoning abilities of certain individuals at this site never ceases to amaze me. Let me get htis straight now, You believe Jesus did not establish his church, because possibly the book in which it contains his statement that he would, that particular book is unrelaibale But you do know Paul invented the Christian Church, How? How do you know anything of what paul did outside of the NT So in one instance you use the books to your advantage, then decry them in another context. Strange reasoning At any rate tell me how you know Paul invented the Christian Church and Christ didnt
But if you wish to pick a specific prophecy then list the chapter and verse and we will take a look at it and see if it can be supported. Certainly. Matt 16. He started with the Apostles and multitude of disciples "I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" here you have a promise of what would take place and foreknowledge that nothing would get in its way. Guess what it came true just as he stated Dawn Bertot
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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4449 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined:
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IamJoseph,
How exactly does this article relate to prophesy? How is the "case won by a margin of manifest blatancy?" That phrase does not make any sense by the way. I know what you mean but the sentence does not actually make sense. Makeing sense of a lot of what you write is kind of like trying to understand a cryptic crossword clue.
The Roman Empire was the greatest super power in history. A small privince alone challenegd them - and won. 2 guys hid in a cave for 12 years in order to escape a death sentence. It was not a small province, it was 2 people, one a 12 year old boy. They did not challenge the Roman Empire, they hid in a cave from it. I am not sure why this is considered a great victory or why it is celebrated. Two guys hid in a cave for over a decade. Their only victory was that they won at hide and seek. He could claim victory in that he remained alive I suppose. I would say that they were so insignificant that it was not worth the Empires trouble to chase them down. Hannibal of Carthage was a challenge to the Roman Empire, the Parthians/Sassanids were a challenge to the Roman Empire, two guys hiding out in cave were not a challenge to the Roman Empire.
In 1950, Britain and Jordan changed the historical name of Samaria to West Bank, a continuing genocide aspiration of Jews and history, inverting the premise of letting the truth set one free, and the notion of prophey. What is the "continuing genocide" aspirations that you believe that Britain is involved in? And what prophecy does this genocide relate to?
Europe now wants to change the name of Jerusalem to Al Quds - foresaking even its own theologies if it can hurt Israel. Al Quds is the Arabic name for Jeruselum. You say that Europe wants to change the name? Which countries in Europe? I cannot find any reference to this change. Apart from your claim anyway. Can you provide any evidence that all of the nations in Europe have any desire to change the name of Jeruselum to Al Quds. Can you tell me how any nation, or group of nations would change the name of a major city in another nation? What prophecy are you talking about? What prophecy do you think has been fullfilled? Are you actually adding anything to the conversation or just pushing your own agenda wherever you can?
The fact that hundreds of Jews are celebrating Lag B’Omer here, when almost no one even remembers the Roman Empire, is the victory of Rashbi and of the People of Israel. I think this part is my favourite section of your source. No one even remembers the Roman Empire? Wander out onto the street and ask someone if they have heard of Rashbi, then ask them if they have heard of Julius Caesar. Anyone who uses words with latin roots is using a product of the Roman Empire. Check out a US $1 bill and note the Roman Numerals for the year 1776 (MDCCLXXVI). Check out the White House for a representation of Roman Architecture, there are Roman Aqueducts still in use today, concrete was invented by the Romans, in the recent riots in England, riot police were using the Testudo formation, a formation commonly used by the Roman Legion. It appears that plenty of people remember the Roman Empire. As opposed to the hundreds of Jews who celebrated this 'victory'. Where exactly were you going with this post in relation to prophecy vs free will? Edited by Butterflytyrant, : No reason given.I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot "Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
The one who hid in a cave was pursued by Rome; but it is the entire nation which clallenged depraved Rome - and won. Christianity lost in siding with the wrong side, exposing a bad move and bad doctrines of racism, villification and mass murder, not to mention the desecration of magestic laws introduced to humanity. Attaching the prefix of pagan, depraved 'Roman' to Catholicism was a horrific premise, as if it was a merit!
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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4449 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined: |
IamJoseph,
The one who hid in a cave was pursued by Rome; but it is the entire nation which clallenged depraved Rome - and won. Christianity lost in siding with the wrong side, exposing a bad move and bad doctrines of racism, villification and mass murder, not to mention the desecration of magestic laws introduced to humanity. Attaching the prefix of pagan, depraved 'Roman' to Catholicism was a horrific premise, as if it was a merit! Was that an attempt at a reply to my post? The source you presented was not a nation challenging Rome. It was a celebrtion of one guy and his 12 year old son successfully hiding in a cave for 12 years. What nation are you refering to? What 'nation' challenged Rome? By Rome do you mean The Holy Roman Empire, The Roman Empire or Rome the city? What challenge are you talking about specifically? Why do you say that Rome is 'depraved'? Provide a link to what you are talking about. And tell me what prophecy this event fulfilled.
Christianity lost in siding with the wrong side It seems like you are suggesting that Christianity chose to join up with the Roman Empire. Is this what you are suggesting? What group are you referring to when you say Christianity? Is this some group you percieve has approached the Roman Empire and decided to join them? Which 'side' should they have chosen? Who was the right side in your opinion?
...exposing a bad move and bad doctrines of racism, villification and mass murder, not to mention the desecration of magestic laws introduced to humanity. What was this bad move? What are the 'bad doctrines of racism, vilification and mass murder'? Are they unique to the group that they chose? What is this desecration of magestic laws you are talking about?
Attaching the prefix of pagan, depraved 'Roman' to Catholicism was a horrific premise, as if it was a merit! The terms 'Romish Catholic' and 'Roman Catholic', along with 'Popish Catholic' were introduced by the Church of England in the 16th century. The term 'Roman Catholic Church' is a recent addition which the church itself rarely uses. (source : The resource cannot be found.). So what is your point? Why is do you use the word 'pagan' as if it is a negative thing? Why were they 'depraved'Why do you suggest that Romans adding the word Roman to the business of Catholic issues occuring in Rome is a 'horrific premise'? You can have another go at replying to my post instead of ranting random crap unrelated to the topic if you want. You seem to think you have something valid to say about prophecy when you went down this road. What is it that you have to say about the topic? Are you suggesting that Edited by Butterflytyrant, : No reason given.I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot "Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
That holy sage represents the war of Rome with Judea. But you have more immediate issues to deal with if you want to assist Christianity. It looks like a 'reverse-prophesy' what is occuring and coming soon to a theatre near you. Islam is emulating medevial Europe:
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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4449 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined: |
IamJoseph,
But you have more immediate issues to deal with if you want to assist Christianity. I have no desire to assist Christianity. I believe the world would be a better place without the the big monotheistic religions.
It looks like a 'reverse-prophesy' what is occuring and coming soon to a theatre near you. What the hell is a reverse prophecy? I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot "Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
There's only one.
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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4449 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined: |
There's only one. Highlander?
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