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Author Topic:   Subjective Evidence of Gods
Panda
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Message 281 of 468 (630945)
08-29-2011 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by RAZD
08-26-2011 8:20 PM


Re: Detecting Intelligent Agency Where There Is None
RADZ writes:
Ah, so there are some supernatural concepts that you are agnostic on?
That doesn't sound like a 6.9999 (and why not just say 7 at that point - you're just kidding yourself that you fit in the 6 category - rounding error).
Note that you are still wrong.
You are not doing very well - but I see little point in you trying again.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 283 of 468 (630955)
08-29-2011 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by RAZD
08-29-2011 2:22 PM


Re: Detecting Intelligent Agency Where There Is None
RAZD writes:
Well that's okay -- you have nothing to respond to. You just post snipes and quips with no content of value, so there is nothing to "try again" about.
Note that you continue to be wrong.
Your failure (or refusal) to comprehend my posts is not my problem.
RADZ really should pay more attention to the people he debates with, as the falsehood of his misrepresentations are easy to demonstrate. The problem is that he is so pervasive with them, that it's like a Gish gallop to deal with all of them. AND he seems to behave like Hovind, content to believe in his distorted perceptions regardless of evidence contrary to it.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 312 of 468 (631059)
08-30-2011 5:31 AM
Reply to: Message 300 by Just being real
08-29-2011 11:04 PM


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CBA.
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Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 314 of 468 (631067)
08-30-2011 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 313 by Just being real
08-30-2011 6:36 AM


Re: Detecting Intelligent Agency Where There Is None
Just being real writes:
Here's the test that I like to use to weed out the fakes.
1. Does it contradict itself? An all knowing God would never contradict what He has already said.
2. Does it conflict with known proven science? An all knowing God would know how He "created" His creations.
3. Does it conflict with known history? An infinite God would have been here when it all happened so there would not be so called historical stories that conflict with known history.
4. Does it prophecy or predict events that never happen? An all knowing divine God would know the future and therefore never get a prediction wrong.
...and the christian creation account violates all 4 and is therefore a 'fake'.
Cool - we agree on something.
p.s.
Could you identify which of those tests the Islamic creation account fails?
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Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 355 of 468 (631190)
08-30-2011 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 348 by Just being real
08-30-2011 9:11 PM


Re: Detecting Intelligent Agency Where There Is None
Just being real writes:
The Koran fails the contradictory test. The Koran states that all creation took Allah Six days in Sura 7:54, but in Sura 41:9-12 it took him a total of eight days.
And GEN 1:6 states that it took 3 days to make the heavens and the earth and in GEN 2:4 it states that it only took 1 day.
So, the bible also fails the contradictory test.
Just being real writes:
The Koran fails the scientific test. The Koran calls the moon a male deity, the sun a female deity, and the stars, their offspring. Sura 41:37. The Koran states that the sun sets every night in the waters of a muddy spring. Sura 18:85,86.
The bible states that the earth sits upon pillars. This has easily been shown to be false.
So, the bible also fails the scientific test.
(I would have mentioned that the sun doesn't rotate around the earth - but, somehow, the bible no longer says that it does. I guess that they released an updated version of the bible that included several corrections.)
Just being real writes:
The Koran fails the historic test. The Koran claims that Abraham , (father of the Jewish nation), moved to Mecca and rebuilt the Kabah. Yet it is a known archeological fact that this never happened. Archeology reveals that the Kabah was originally first built to "worship the black stone that fell from the sky," not Allah.
The bible claims that there was a global flood. Yet it is a known archaeological fact that there was no global flood.
So, the bible also fails the historic test.
Just being real writes:
I've actually been studying the Christian creation account for some time and have yet to find a single case where it does.
Then I am glad to have pointed out what you have clearly failed to notice.
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Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 359 of 468 (631196)
08-30-2011 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 358 by IamJoseph
08-30-2011 11:03 PM


Re: Detecting Intelligent Agency Where There Is None
IamJoseph writes:
*bollocks*
Ok - to be clear:
You are a dishonest debater with a grasp of English which would embarrass a chimpanzee.
I intend to completely ignore your posts from now on as discussing anything with you is beyond pointless.
Hopefully the time you waste replying to my posts will be less time spent annoying others.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 375 of 468 (631249)
08-31-2011 6:03 AM
Reply to: Message 369 by Just being real
08-31-2011 2:43 AM


Re: Detecting Intelligent Agency Where There Is None
Most of your mistakes have been addressed by Dr. A in Message 370.
Just being real writes:
Incorrect again. The Bible does NOT mean the earth sits upon pillars literally.
Now this is where you went wrong when criticising the Quran.
The examples you gave are not meant to be taken literally.
If you find any other inconsistencies/contradictions/etc. in the Quran, then these are also not meant to be taken literally.
This rule also applies to the bible.
Obviously, it is difficult to find 2 christians that agree on which parts of the bible are literal and which parts are metaphorical.
But I am sure that if anyone believes the the the sun literally orbits the earth, then it will be moved to the 'metaphorical' pile eventually.
Just being real writes:
Panda writes:
The bible claims that there was a global flood. Yet it is a known archaeological fact that there was no global flood.
This is one of my favorite topics, and I can present tons of evidence for a global flood.
And yet you have been completely silent in threads which ask for that evidence.
The Flood, fossils, & the geologic evidence
Potential Evidence for a Global Flood
I think we can draw our own conclusions from that.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 387 of 468 (631327)
08-31-2011 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 385 by Just being real
08-31-2011 5:00 PM


Re: Detecting Intelligent Agency Where There Is None
Just being real writes:
I have been walking to and fro elsewhere on the world wide web, and were not aware of those threads. But within 24 hours I will give you my evidence on the thread, "Potential Evidence for a Global Flood"
The biblical flood breaks several of the tests you listed, so - since our discussion is rapidly heading off-topic - I will instead wait for your post in the 'flood' thread.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 421 of 468 (631562)
09-01-2011 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 420 by Dawn Bertot
09-01-2011 6:54 PM


Re: Being dishonest
Dawn Bertot writes:
Really Straggler, lets see this list, with the confessionals on the ocean of people that have converted.
Since Chuck77 didn't provide those things, there is no requirement for Straggler to.
You could always take up the challenge on behalf of Chuck77 and produce the "confessionals on the ocean of people that have converted" and "the visual evidence" that supports Chuck77's claim?
I doubt you will though.
Evidence is a one-way street with you.
You always demand evidence from others but refuse to provide any yourself.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 446 of 468 (632787)
09-10-2011 6:24 AM
Reply to: Message 444 by Chuck77
09-10-2011 3:22 AM


Re: Straggler is always right every time eternity infinity
Chuck77 writes:
You are frikking impossible dude, your like a dam woman you know that?
Misogyny: for when racism isn't enough hate.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Posts: 2688
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Message 451 of 468 (632820)
09-10-2011 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 447 by Chuck77
09-10-2011 6:52 AM


Re: Straggler is always right every time eternity infinity
Chuck77 writes:
Thanks again Panda, for adding to the conversation. Your one liners are as boring as you are.
Personal attacks: for when racism and misogyny aren't enough hate.
I guess your religion must really encourage hatred - as you see little reason not to express it.
Chuck77 writes:
Straggler is a big boy and would probably laugh at that but if you feel the need to stick up for Straggler im sure he is very thankful for you being here to defend him. Itching for that pat on the back huh?
He's like a big brother ehe? I understand. I have a little brother. I hope Straggler validates your feelings. I really do. It's ok little guy...it's..OK.
Projection at it's finest.
The only way you can understand my replies is to view them from your own perspective.
I realise that Percy, when allowing you to become a moderator, was following Sun-tzu's advice: "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.", but I think that he was also expecting you to grow the fuck up.
If so: he will be very disappointed.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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