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Author Topic:   Potential Evidence for a Global Flood
Boof
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Message 196 of 320 (632147)
09-05-2011 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Just being real
08-31-2011 9:02 PM


Fossilisation
Just being real writes:
First I would point out how interesting I find it that most who reject a global flood, overlook the fact that fossils require an anoxic environment in which to even form.
Incorrect, although preservation can be enhanced in certain anoxic systems.
And that this type of environment usually only occurs in nature, in rapid sedimentary deposit situations
Incorrect again, anoxic environments occur in many depositional settings including some with very low rates of sedimentation.
...rapid sedimentary deposit situations. Which of course only occur in "flood" conditions
Incorrect again, there are many instances of high rates of sedimentary depostition which are unrelated to 'flooding'.
First three sentences of a 1000+ word post, each factually incorrect or at the very least highly misleading. Perhaps we should get the basics sorted out before we bother with the rest of your tome?

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Boof
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Message 230 of 320 (633021)
09-12-2011 1:46 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by Just being real
09-11-2011 10:54 PM


"Polystrate" fossils
Just being real writes:
Many Geologists say that the strata layers of the geologic column are representative of millions of years of time. In this discussion I will refer to them as uniformitarian geologists, but with the understanding that not all conventional geologists are strict uniformitarians.
You coin the term uniformitarian geologist without specifically defining it. If a uniformitarian geologist is one who believes that the physical and chemical processes relevant to geology are unchanged over the earth’s history, then I would have to agree with Pressie that this would include 99.99% of geologists and you would best just call them ‘geologists’
Just being real writes:
In opposition is a group of geologists who believe that the strata was laid down during a world wide geologically recent global flood. I will refer to them in this discussion as creation geologists or YEC geologists.
Anecdotally, I have to say that in my 20+ years working as a geologist, I have never met one of these ‘types’ of geologist.
Just being real writes:
Fossils of single living organisms such as trees (AKA Polystrate fossils) are commonly found piercing through several layers of these strata. These tree fossils (AKA kettlebottoms in mining) are so common in coal beds that they are even a real danger to miners who have been injured or killed by them dislodging and falling on them. They are common enough that in 2000 they came up for review by the Federal Mine Safety and Health Review Commission. And I even found an article as recent as 2007 in which one fell and killed Brent Reynolds in a mine in Kentucky.
According to your own links (and thank you for providing links) kettlebottoms are A smooth, rounded piece of rock, cylindrical in shape, which may drop out of the roof of a mine without warning. The origin of this feature is thought to be the remains of the stump of a tree that has been replaced by sediments so that the original form has been rather well preserved.
No mention of living organisms piercing several layers of strata here.
Oh and by the way, your link suggests to me that Brent Reynolds was killed by a rock slippage due to a structural weakness along a fracture plane (ie slickensides), not in any way due to kettlebottoms.
Just being real writes:
The question is, how can forests of trees, dinosaurs, fish and other organisms remain protruding from one layer of strata while waiting the enormously long periods of time for the other layers to eventually cover them and then to later fossilize? ... Yet the examples of thousands of polystrate tree and animal fossils I am referring to are found as well preserved at the top portions as they are at the bottom.
No, the question is why do you keep referring to these "thousands of poystrate tree and animal fossils" without providing any evidence for them even existing?
Edited by Boof, : Spelling etc

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